Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.

Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.

Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.

Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. My computer sent the last one before I got finished.

Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.

Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. My computer sent the last one before I got finished.

Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. My computer sent the last one before I got finished.

Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Hey,

It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. My computer sent the last one before I got finished.

Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Hey,

It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
ww.judoamerica.com
ww.betterjudo.com
ww.blog.betterjudo.com
58 578-7748

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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Tom

My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. My computer sent the last one before I got finished.

Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Hey,

It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
ww.judoamerica.com
ww.betterjudo.com
ww.blog.betterjudo.com
58 578-7748

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This is fun history, Professor!

On 4/12/2010 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
>
> President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.
>
> Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.
>
> T. Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
> odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
> he thirtys
> osta
>
>
> n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
> Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
> re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
> merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
> o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
> merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
> ince 1926.
> T Ryan
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Allen Gordon<>
> o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
> ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
> om
> y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
> id a
> w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
> eminded
> of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
> amely
> thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
> xcuse
> biases.
> lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
> e in
> A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
> mprove
> ****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
> ick
> it.
> wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
> f the
> her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
> derstand that from your post.
> t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
> ein of
> e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
> ganization.
> llen
> nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ----Original Message-----
> om:
> te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
> :<>
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> ey,
> am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
> hings.
> ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
> he
> rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
> udo
> America.
> n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
> ompetitive
> do for insurance reasons.
> and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
> ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
> sociations.
> s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
> ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
> s. We
> e eager to learn and share.
> om Ryan
>
> ----Original Message-----
> om: Allen Gordon<>
> : Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> erald.
> ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
> uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
> id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
> f
> ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
> ractice, is
> oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
> on't
> freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
> elts
> ctice.
> len Gordon
> p://www.randori-consulting.com
>
> Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
> udo
> jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
> e
> mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
> heir
> gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
> an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
> est? Or
> his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
>
>


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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

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My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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-----Original Message-----
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
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Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
ww.judoamerica.com
ww.betterjudo.com
ww.blog.betterjudo.com
58 578-7748

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This is fun history, Professor!

On 4/12/2010 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
>
> President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.
>
> Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.
>
> T. Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
> odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
> he thirtys
> osta
>
>
> n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
> Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
> re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
> merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
> o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
> merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
> ince 1926.
> T Ryan
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Allen Gordon<>
> o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
> ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
> om
> y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
> id a
> w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
> eminded
> of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
> amely
> thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
> xcuse
> biases.
> lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
> e in
> A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
> mprove
> ****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
> ick
> it.
> wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
> f the
> her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
> derstand that from your post.
> t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
> ein of
> e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
> ganization.
> llen
> nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ----Original Message-----
> om:
> te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
> :<>
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> ey,
> am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
> hings.
> ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
> he
> rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
> udo
> America.
> n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
> ompetitive
> do for insurance reasons.
> and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
> ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
> sociations.
> s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
> ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
> s. We
> e eager to learn and share.
> om Ryan
>
> ----Original Message-----
> om: Allen Gordon<>
> : Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> erald.
> ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
> uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
> id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
> f
> ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
> ractice, is
> oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
> on't
> freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
> elts
> ctice.
> len Gordon
> p://www.randori-consulting.com
>
> Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
> udo
> jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
> e
> mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
> heir
> gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
> an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
> est? Or
> his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
>
>


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You are correct. It does say Kodenkan (School of Anceint Traditions or school where seniors teach juniors).

T Ryan





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It looks to me that its Danzan Ryu - The website says kodenkan
--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mike Penny <> wrote:
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
o: "Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo"
>
ate: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:36 PM
Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

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My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
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From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
ww.judoamerica.com
ww.betterjudo.com
ww.blog.betterjudo.com
58 578-7748

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This is fun history, Professor!

On 4/12/2010 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
>
> President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.
>
> Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.
>
> T. Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
> odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
> he thirtys
> osta
>
>
> n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
> Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
> re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
> merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
> o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
> merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
> ince 1926.
> T Ryan
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Allen Gordon<>
> o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
> ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
> om
> y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
> id a
> w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
> eminded
> of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
> amely
> thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
> xcuse
> biases.
> lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
> e in
> A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
> mprove
> ****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
> ick
> it.
> wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
> f the
> her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
> derstand that from your post.
> t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
> ein of
> e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
> ganization.
> llen
> nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ----Original Message-----
> om:
> te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
> :<>
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> ey,
> am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
> hings.
> ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
> he
> rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
> udo
> America.
> n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
> ompetitive
> do for insurance reasons.
> and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
> ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
> sociations.
> s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
> ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
> s. We
> e eager to learn and share.
> om Ryan
>
> ----Original Message-----
> om: Allen Gordon<>
> : Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> erald.
> ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
> uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
> id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
> f
> ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
> ractice, is
> oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
> on't
> freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
> elts
> ctice.
> len Gordon
> p://www.randori-consulting.com
>
> Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
> udo
> jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
> e
> mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
> heir
> gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
> an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
> est? Or
> his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
>
>


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You are correct. It does say Kodenkan (School of Anceint Traditions or school where seniors teach juniors).

T Ryan





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It looks to me that its Danzan Ryu - The website says kodenkan
--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mike Penny <> wrote:
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o: "Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo"
>
ate: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:36 PM
Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

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My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
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From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
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Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
ww.judoamerica.com
ww.betterjudo.com
ww.blog.betterjudo.com
58 578-7748

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This is fun history, Professor!

On 4/12/2010 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
>
> President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.
>
> Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.
>
> T. Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
> odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
> he thirtys
> osta
>
>
> n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
> Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
> re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
> merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
> o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
> merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
> ince 1926.
> T Ryan
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Allen Gordon<>
> o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
> ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
> om
> y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
> id a
> w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
> eminded
> of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
> amely
> thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
> xcuse
> biases.
> lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
> e in
> A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
> mprove
> ****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
> ick
> it.
> wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
> f the
> her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
> derstand that from your post.
> t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
> ein of
> e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
> ganization.
> llen
> nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ----Original Message-----
> om:
> te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
> :<>
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> ey,
> am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
> hings.
> ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
> he
> rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
> udo
> America.
> n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
> ompetitive
> do for insurance reasons.
> and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
> ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
> sociations.
> s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
> ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
> s. We
> e eager to learn and share.
> om Ryan
>
> ----Original Message-----
> om: Allen Gordon<>
> : Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> erald.
> ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
> uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
> id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
> f
> ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
> ractice, is
> oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
> on't
> freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
> elts
> ctice.
> len Gordon
> p://www.randori-consulting.com
>
> Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
> udo
> jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
> e
> mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
> heir
> gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
> an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
> est? Or
> his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
>
>


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You are correct. It does say Kodenkan (School of Anceint Traditions or school where seniors teach juniors).

T Ryan





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Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 9:03 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


It looks to me that its Danzan Ryu - The website says kodenkan
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>
ate: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:36 PM
Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






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From: Allen Gordon <>
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo <>
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

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My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
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From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
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ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
ww.judoamerica.com
ww.betterjudo.com
ww.blog.betterjudo.com
58 578-7748

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This is fun history, Professor!

On 4/12/2010 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
>
> President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.
>
> Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.
>
> T. Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
> odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
> he thirtys
> osta
>
>
> n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
> Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
> re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
> merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
> o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
> merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
> ince 1926.
> T Ryan
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Allen Gordon<>
> o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
> ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
> om
> y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
> id a
> w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
> eminded
> of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
> amely
> thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
> xcuse
> biases.
> lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
> e in
> A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
> mprove
> ****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
> ick
> it.
> wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
> f the
> her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
> derstand that from your post.
> t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
> ein of
> e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
> ganization.
> llen
> nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ----Original Message-----
> om:
> te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
> :<>
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> ey,
> am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
> hings.
> ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
> he
> rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
> udo
> America.
> n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
> ompetitive
> do for insurance reasons.
> and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
> ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
> sociations.
> s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
> ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
> s. We
> e eager to learn and share.
> om Ryan
>
> ----Original Message-----
> om: Allen Gordon<>
> : Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> erald.
> ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
> uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
> id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
> f
> ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
> ractice, is
> oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
> on't
> freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
> elts
> ctice.
> len Gordon
> p://www.randori-consulting.com
>
> Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
> udo
> jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
> e
> mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
> heir
> gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
> an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
> est? Or
> his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
>
>


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You are correct. It does say Kodenkan (School of Anceint Traditions or school where seniors teach juniors).

T Ryan





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It looks to me that its Danzan Ryu - The website says kodenkan
--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mike Penny <> wrote:
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o: "Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo"
>
ate: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:36 PM
Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Gordon <>
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo <>
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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costa

In a message dated 4/10/2010 11:29:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,


>
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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

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My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
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From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
ww.judoamerica.com
ww.betterjudo.com
ww.blog.betterjudo.com
58 578-7748

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This is fun history, Professor!

On 4/12/2010 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
>
> President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.
>
> Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.
>
> T. Ryan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
> odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
> he thirtys
> osta
>
>
> n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
> Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
> re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
> merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
> o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
> merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
> ince 1926.
> T Ryan
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Allen Gordon<>
> o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
> ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
> om
> y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
> id a
> w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
> eminded
> of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
> amely
> thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
> xcuse
> biases.
> lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
> e in
> A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
> mprove
> ****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
> ick
> it.
> wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
> f the
> her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
> derstand that from your post.
> t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
> ein of
> e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
> ganization.
> llen
> nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
> ----Original Message-----
> om:
> te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
> :<>
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> ey,
> am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
> hings.
> ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
> he
> rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
> udo
> America.
> n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
> ompetitive
> do for insurance reasons.
> and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
> ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
> sociations.
> s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
> ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
> s. We
> e eager to learn and share.
> om Ryan
>
> ----Original Message-----
> om: Allen Gordon<>
> : Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> >
> nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> erald.
> ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
> uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
> id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
> f
> ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
> ractice, is
> oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
> on't
> freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
> elts
> ctice.
> len Gordon
> p://www.randori-consulting.com
>
> Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
> udo
> jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
> e
> mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
> heir
> gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
> an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
> est? Or
> his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
>
>


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You are correct. It does say Kodenkan (School of Anceint Traditions or school where seniors teach juniors).

T Ryan





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It looks to me that its Danzan Ryu - The website says kodenkan
--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mike Penny <> wrote:
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
o: "Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo"
>
ate: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:36 PM
Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
From: Allen Gordon <>
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo <>
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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costa

In a message dated 4/10/2010 11:29:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,


>
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Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. I have known the AJJF for many years. They are top notch. Most who attend
the Greatest Camp know AJJF members, but maybe not as that. I will be
signing up my Judo players with them.

TomR

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From: judolist- [mailto:judolist-] On
Behalf Of Carl Hayes
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:53 PM
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Gerald.

Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is intuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.

I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of their free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is a joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't get freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts practice.


Allen Gordon
http://www.randori-consulting.com










On Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:

> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
>
> Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
> _____________________________
___________________________________________________

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My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a few years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded me of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely without any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse my biases.

Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in USA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve grass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick of it.

I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the other organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't understand that from your post.

It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of the old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo organization.

Allen
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?

--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Gerald Lafon <> wrote:

Subject: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
Date: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 1:28 AM

"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez.  "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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I can only give you what I think. We chose to go this way so we could do the things that we beleive are important. We are not that interested in money. We do want the program to pay for itself. Our mandate is Character development first, leadership second and thrdly self defense or sportsmanship.

Many in the AJJF have been part of the other organizations for years. We now do not need to join their organization to compete in events we can use our membership cards. The difference is we will be doing the promotions, we will be putting on tournaments, we will be developing progams for the AJJF.

In my area alone, we (my student BB's) have 14 programs going in the public schools. We were just ask to be in 11 more schools. The existing programs have had a tremendous sucess with difficult children.

Last year I sent a check to the USJA for almost a $1000 for the South Carolina State Championships. This year I will be sending it to the AJJF.








-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe.
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We are just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the American JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years to get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in American mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii, since 1926.

T Ryan






-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Tom
My comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I did a
ew years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also reminded
e of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way, namely
ithout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please excuse
y biases.
Also in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that be in
SA Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except improve
rass-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly sick
f it.
I wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one of the
ther organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
nderstand that from your post.
It seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the vein of
he old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
rganization.
Allen
ent via BlackBerry by AT&T
-----Original Message-----
rom:
ate: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
o: <>
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ey,
I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.
Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the
arly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo
o America.
In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive
udo for insurance reasons.
I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
rganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
ssociations.
As to quality and or practice, we are happy.
Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We
re eager to learn and share.
Tom Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

erald.
our last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
tuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
eir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
t freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
actice.
llen Gordon
tp://www.randori-consulting.com


n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
d jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
r mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
ogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
_____________________________
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The practical terms remain to be played out, I guess. But, this development is giving me hope that there just might be some logical cause and effect in the universe.

Cheryl Ellis

On Apr 10, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Carl Hayes wrote:

> Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo) has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
>
> What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
>
> -- Carl
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jonathan Jeffer
> To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
>
>
> but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Hey,

It is Danzan Ryu. The American Judo and Jujitsu Federation is the incorporation name (in 1958). They were involved in the first 30 years of judo in American. They are just coming back to their roots.

We are nothing like your comparison.

T. Ryan





-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:20 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


I guessit a new name for DAN ZAN RYU..It is judo as Brazilian jiu jitsu
s judo.
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:
Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
as apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
hen USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
wo Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.
What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.
-- Carl

---- Original Message -----
rom: Jonathan Jeffer
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
ent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

ut first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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Hey,

President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.

Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.

T. Ryan






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Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
he thirtys
osta


n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
ince 1926.
T Ryan



----Original Message-----
rom: Allen Gordon <>
o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?

om
y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
id a
w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
eminded
of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
amely
thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
xcuse
biases.
lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
e in
A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
mprove
****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
ick
it.
wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
f the
her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
derstand that from your post.
t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
ein of
e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
ganization.
llen
nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
----Original Message-----
om:
te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
: <>
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
ey,
am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
hings.
ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
he
rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
udo
America.
n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
ompetitive
do for insurance reasons.
and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
sociations.
s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
s. We
e eager to learn and share.
om Ryan

----Original Message-----
om: Allen Gordon <>
: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
>
nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
erald.
ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
f
ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
ractice, is
oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
on't
freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
elts
ctice.
len Gordon
p://www.randori-consulting.com

Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
udo
jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
e
mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
heir
gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.

an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
est? Or
his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
____________________________
erald Lafon
SMC, RVN 70-71
irector, Judo America San Diego
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This is fun history, Professor!

On 4/12/2010 8:27 AM, wrote:
> Hey,
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> President Roosevelt also asked Master Henry S. Okazaki to move to Washington, D.C. in the 30's to teach him Judo (now it is called jujitsu) and do Okazaki Sei****ujitsu on him. Kano awarded Okazaki a Sandan in his system in the 1920's. At the time there was 1 Godan and 3 Yodan's. Kano was the Godan. One of my teachers, Prof Ramon "Lono" Ancho Jr. took over the judo program at West Point in the mid 1970's. Under his tutelage, they went from a club that rarely won to one that rarely lost. He taught them Danzan Ryu judo. We have 43 standard throws (as he got from Kano in the 1920's). Many of the additional Kodokan throws are considered our variations rather than stand alone techniques.
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> Our first national convention was in 1948 in California. We are still going strong.
>
> T. Ryan
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> To:
> Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
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> dan zan ryu is not theoriginal judo of the us teddy rosevelt studeied
> odokan judo in the white house,the US naval academy studied kodokan judo in
> he thirtys
> osta
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> n a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
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> y computer sent the last one before I got finished.
> Many of the Judoka of the 1940's, 50's, 60's and 70's were AJJF based. We
> re just going back to our traditions. The 1st national convention of the
> merican JUDO and Jujitsu Federation was in 1948. It took about 8 years
> o get to the point on the mainland to do this. We had organized judo in
> merican mainland in 1940 before the war. In the Trust Territory of Hawaii,
> ince 1926.
> T Ryan
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> ----Original Message-----
> rom: Allen Gordon<>
> o: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
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> ent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 12:45 pm
> ubject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
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> om
> y comments about the video were a carry over from some aikido practice I
> id a
> w years ago with some beginners. The attacks were not real. It also
> eminded
> of some judo kata competitors who demonstrated kata in the same way,
> amely
> thout any life or realism. No one learns in such practice. So please
> xcuse
> biases.
> lso in line perhaps with Gerald's comment, it seems the the powers that
> e in
> A Judo are doing everything to hype judo and bring in money, except
> mprove
> ****-roots judo and ultimately improve judo in this country. I'm frankly
> ick
> it.
> wonder why the AJJF chose this route instead of perhaps going with one
> f the
> her organizations. Is the AJJF interested in judo competition? I didn't
> derstand that from your post.
> t seems to me that the AJJF is a more formal martial arts school in the
> ein of
> e old jujutsu ryu. This is certainly not the way of the USA Judo
> ganization.
> llen
> nt via BlackBerry by AT&T
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> om:
> te: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 10:34:50
> :<>
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> ey,
> am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of
> hings.
> ome to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since
> he
> rly 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing
> udo
> America.
> n the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in
> ompetitive
> do for insurance reasons.
> and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other
> ganizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and
> sociations.
> s to quality and or practice, we are happy.
> ur National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with
> s. We
> e eager to learn and share.
> om Ryan
>
> ----Original Message-----
> om: Allen Gordon<>
> : Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
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> nt: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
> bject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?
> erald.
> ur last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
> uitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
> id look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video
> f
> ir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they
> ractice, is
> oke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they
> on't
> freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black
> elts
> ctice.
> len Gordon
> p://www.randori-consulting.com
>
> Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow
> udo
> jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will
> e
> mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo.
> heir
> gram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.
>
> an anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the
> est? Or
> his Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
>
>


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You are correct. It does say Kodenkan (School of Anceint Traditions or school where seniors teach juniors).

T Ryan





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It looks to me that its Danzan Ryu - The website says kodenkan
--- On Sat, 4/10/10, Mike Penny <> wrote:
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ate: Saturday, April 10, 2010, 5:36 PM
Gerald Lafon wrote:
"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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"We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo and jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be our mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their program of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or is this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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Posted on the JudoList mailing list. Go to http://mail.chas-ma.com/mailman/listinfo/judolist_chas-ma.com to subscribe. Hey,

I am one of the folks that worked on the project from the AJJF side of things.

Come to an event and find out. We have been doing judo in America since the early 1940's. In addition, many of our founders were critical in bringing Judo to America.

In the 60's, our organization made a decision not to continue in competitive judo for insurance reasons.

I and others in the AJJF have been doing competitive judo with other organizations. Recent events changed our minds about the directions and associations.

As to quality and or practice, we are happy.

Our National Convention is next weekend in Oroville, CA. Come meet with us. We are eager to learn and share.

Tom Ryan






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From: Allen Gordon <>
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo <>
Sent: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 8:35 am
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


Gerald.
Your last quest about Jose is rhetorical, right? The answer to that is
ntuitively obvious to all but the most casual observers.
I did look at their website and while some of it is interesting, the video of
heir free practice, which is supposed to be an example of how they practice, is
joke. I supposed its geared towards prospective students so that they don't
et freaked out, however. I hope its not representative of how the black belts
ractice.

llen Gordon
ttp://www.randori-consulting.com





n Apr 9, 2010, at 11:28 PM, Gerald Lafon wrote:
> "We are excited to work with the leadership of AJJF to continue to grow judo
nd jujitsu in our country," said USA Judo CEO Jose H. Rodriguez. "It will be
ur mutual goal to have the AJJF become more involved in competitive judo. Their
rogram of judo instructors' education is one of the best.


Can anyone tell me what makes the AJJF's education program one of the best? Or
s this Jose Rodriguez feeding us propaganda?
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costa

In a message dated 4/10/2010 11:29:52 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,


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the Greatest Camp know AJJF members, but maybe not as that. I will be
signing up my Judo players with them.

TomR

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From: judolist- [mailto:judolist-] On
Behalf Of Carl Hayes
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:53 PM
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
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Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
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From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
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but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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is judo.
costa


In a message dated 4/10/2010 10:53:15 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

Jon, it's the American Judo and Jujutsu Federation, which USJI (USA Judo)
has apparently named an additional Group A member of USJI. From the time
when USJA and USJF created USJI until now, USJF and USJA have been the only
two Group A members of USJI. Now there are three.

What this means in practical terms is a little hard to figure.

-- Carl
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jonathan Jeffer
To: Discussion of All Aspects of Traditional and Modern Judo
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [JudoList] AJJF the best?


but first could somebody first tell me what the AJJF is?
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