Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



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___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/10 12:12, Andrew Livens wrote:
> The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
> download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
> this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
> operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.

That's why a friend of mine makes a decent living providing hands-on
computer support to small businesses in his area.

If you take a business like a small town solicitors, they have half
a dozen PCs, a small server, and a printer. They don't have any
computing expertise in house. Something goes wrong. If they phone
up a geek who advertises in the newsagent's window, then someone
turns up who tells them that they need to upgrade the OSes all on the
PCs, update their copies of M$ Office, buy a more modern printer,
etc. etc., otherwise it'll never work properly.

If they phone up James, he calls in with the mind-set that this setup
used to work until yesterday, now something has changed, so he works
out what has changed and fixes it.

> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

Techies won't leave something alone when it's working fine.
A local optician has a "width of field" tester which is controlled
by a PC running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 It just works.
But the average techie would faint at the sight.

--
Andrew Benham
Southgate, London N14, United Kingdom

The gates in my computer are AND OR and NOT, not "Bill"

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/10 12:12, Andrew Livens wrote:
> The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
> download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
> this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
> operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.

That's why a friend of mine makes a decent living providing hands-on
computer support to small businesses in his area.

If you take a business like a small town solicitors, they have half
a dozen PCs, a small server, and a printer. They don't have any
computing expertise in house. Something goes wrong. If they phone
up a geek who advertises in the newsagent's window, then someone
turns up who tells them that they need to upgrade the OSes all on the
PCs, update their copies of M$ Office, buy a more modern printer,
etc. etc., otherwise it'll never work properly.

If they phone up James, he calls in with the mind-set that this setup
used to work until yesterday, now something has changed, so he works
out what has changed and fixes it.

> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

Techies won't leave something alone when it's working fine.
A local optician has a "width of field" tester which is controlled
by a PC running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 It just works.
But the average techie would faint at the sight.

--
Andrew Benham
Southgate, London N14, United Kingdom

The gates in my computer are AND OR and NOT, not "Bill"

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 07:52, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> If he is, his box is 0wned. No question.

And if a rootkit like tdss, many virus scanners won't find it.


> Bob, putting an unpatched Win box on the internet (even behind a NAT
> router) these days isn't just asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

I set up a test server to try something with Rob, ages ago. You don't
want to know how many access attempts the thing, the unlisted
unpublished, transient server received from random IP addresses, in a
single half hour!
Thank God my Livebox filters out all this junk (but... if you are paying
for a data slice, like xGb/month, does all this crap count to your
allocation?).


> Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7.

Ah-ah, I said NO "vista was horrible, 7 is better". If that's your
logic, you're probably best off sticking with XP.


> Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install

Sometimes that's better, even if painful (esp. finding ages old CDs).
For a start, you know at once if there are going to be driver issues,
and also it helps clear some of the cack that Windows seems to
accumulate in \Windows\System32.

If I was going Windows7, I'd probably get a new harddisc, slave my old
one, and transfer that way - build up the Win7 system and then copy
across my data.
Slightly trickier on an eeePC; perhaps impossible - my 4Gb C: SSD has
200Mb free thanks to XP's gradual accumulation of nonsense; I tidy it
every so often, but there's only so far that'll work. I'd like to move
"Documents and Settings" over to D:, but I'm not certain you can do that
on a live system - ie the user part of the registry files lives in there!


> and I have everything just how I like it on XP.

:-)


> The cost also puts me off;

Yeah, way to encourage piracy.

Actually, the autocertification puts me off (the thing that WGA has
evolved into). It can now flag your version of Windows as "errant" and
nobble it at ANY time. Do I trust Microsoft never to get this wrong?


> if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
> student discount scheme.

I see half a dozen versions - Basic, Home, Home Basic... WTF?!? Can't we
have a "home" and a "business" and leave it at that?


> This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
> 95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
> away the c:\dos directory :-)

What spec?

My two XP machines claim to have been built for 98, but they run XP okay:
Aiko: 450MHz P2, 128M RAM, 80Gb HD + DVD-W + DVD-W
Ayleigh: 1.1GHz AMD, 1Gb RAM, 80+40+320Gb HD + DVD-W

[DVD-W means DVD writer]


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

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___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

----------------------------------------
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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/10 12:12, Andrew Livens wrote:
> The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
> download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
> this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
> operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.

That's why a friend of mine makes a decent living providing hands-on
computer support to small businesses in his area.

If you take a business like a small town solicitors, they have half
a dozen PCs, a small server, and a printer. They don't have any
computing expertise in house. Something goes wrong. If they phone
up a geek who advertises in the newsagent's window, then someone
turns up who tells them that they need to upgrade the OSes all on the
PCs, update their copies of M$ Office, buy a more modern printer,
etc. etc., otherwise it'll never work properly.

If they phone up James, he calls in with the mind-set that this setup
used to work until yesterday, now something has changed, so he works
out what has changed and fixes it.

> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

Techies won't leave something alone when it's working fine.
A local optician has a "width of field" tester which is controlled
by a PC running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 It just works.
But the average techie would faint at the sight.

--
Andrew Benham
Southgate, London N14, United Kingdom

The gates in my computer are AND OR and NOT, not "Bill"

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 07:52, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> If he is, his box is 0wned. No question.

And if a rootkit like tdss, many virus scanners won't find it.


> Bob, putting an unpatched Win box on the internet (even behind a NAT
> router) these days isn't just asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

I set up a test server to try something with Rob, ages ago. You don't
want to know how many access attempts the thing, the unlisted
unpublished, transient server received from random IP addresses, in a
single half hour!
Thank God my Livebox filters out all this junk (but... if you are paying
for a data slice, like xGb/month, does all this crap count to your
allocation?).


> Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7.

Ah-ah, I said NO "vista was horrible, 7 is better". If that's your
logic, you're probably best off sticking with XP.


> Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install

Sometimes that's better, even if painful (esp. finding ages old CDs).
For a start, you know at once if there are going to be driver issues,
and also it helps clear some of the cack that Windows seems to
accumulate in \Windows\System32.

If I was going Windows7, I'd probably get a new harddisc, slave my old
one, and transfer that way - build up the Win7 system and then copy
across my data.
Slightly trickier on an eeePC; perhaps impossible - my 4Gb C: SSD has
200Mb free thanks to XP's gradual accumulation of nonsense; I tidy it
every so often, but there's only so far that'll work. I'd like to move
"Documents and Settings" over to D:, but I'm not certain you can do that
on a live system - ie the user part of the registry files lives in there!


> and I have everything just how I like it on XP.

:-)


> The cost also puts me off;

Yeah, way to encourage piracy.

Actually, the autocertification puts me off (the thing that WGA has
evolved into). It can now flag your version of Windows as "errant" and
nobble it at ANY time. Do I trust Microsoft never to get this wrong?


> if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
> student discount scheme.

I see half a dozen versions - Basic, Home, Home Basic... WTF?!? Can't we
have a "home" and a "business" and leave it at that?


> This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
> 95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
> away the c:\dos directory :-)

What spec?

My two XP machines claim to have been built for 98, but they run XP okay:
Aiko: 450MHz P2, 128M RAM, 80Gb HD + DVD-W + DVD-W
Ayleigh: 1.1GHz AMD, 1Gb RAM, 80+40+320Gb HD + DVD-W

[DVD-W means DVD writer]


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 10:58, Rob wrote:

> I guess that's me ...

:-)


> Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript apparently is,

I looked up blocking stuff and it seemed to involve a lot of faffing
with files and options buried in menus. It's like the so-called security
was added as an afterthought.


> Opera does offer a per-site customisation of blocking Javascript, or
> limiting it's rights, blocking plugins, [...]

So does, I think, Firefox. Never needed to look as I take a more active
role in stamping my foot. ;-)

Some of the powers of NoScript are:
* It separates domains, so if you give theregister.co.uk permission
to run, *ONLY* that domain will run, those linked from it (such as
google-analytics) need their own permission. Or not. Most of that
sort of stuff is auto-blacklisted. This is extremely useful as
giving a site permission to run starts to fail if said permission
allows the sites to pull in code from *other* sites.

* By default, all PDFs and Flash is blocked, except from sites that
have permission. I can click to allow, or back out. It would be nice
to have a SaveAs link, but nevermind...

* Extremely flexible interface, with pop-up notification. I can see in
an instant what NoScript is allowing/blocking, and give permission
on a temp (this time only) or permanent basis.

* Lots of other cross-site things are checked, like XSS clickjacking.
Not sure what that is exactly, it looks like if a link is set by
XSS to be one thing, but the link actually goes somewhere else - the
Orange.fr site constantly causes this. A really poor design...


> I've taken to running default with most off, and only enabling as needed.

Us old-timers have fond memories of when it was safe to walk around the
web alone at night... Now you need a dozen deadbolts on the door.


> The ad blocking is a learning type

AdBlockPlus works using subscription lists. Seems to be pretty
effective, though what the ad blocker would let through is pretty much
blocked by NoScript.


> I had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
> and not having features I've got used to ..

I think we can agree that the serious competitors to IE are Firefox or
Opera. While I would strongly recommend Firefox, and you Opera, I think
the best approach is to download both and give them a trial...

Remember - you can't judge based upon simply installing the browser,
you'll need to add a few things. For Firefox, as described in my
previous article. And yes, NoScript is a monumental pain in the backside
when it first starts, but after a day or two of normal browsing you'll
be likely to have your blacklist and whitelist set up. The only sticking
point is that many major sites have multiple domains, for example the
YouTube thumbnails are hosted at yimgs...


> Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

How'd you manage that, given that Explorer (the filer), is based heavily
on MSIE.


> This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Not a browser war, just trying to persuade one of our little family to
take online security a little more seriously.


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.

Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/10 12:12, Andrew Livens wrote:
> The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
> download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
> this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
> operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.

That's why a friend of mine makes a decent living providing hands-on
computer support to small businesses in his area.

If you take a business like a small town solicitors, they have half
a dozen PCs, a small server, and a printer. They don't have any
computing expertise in house. Something goes wrong. If they phone
up a geek who advertises in the newsagent's window, then someone
turns up who tells them that they need to upgrade the OSes all on the
PCs, update their copies of M$ Office, buy a more modern printer,
etc. etc., otherwise it'll never work properly.

If they phone up James, he calls in with the mind-set that this setup
used to work until yesterday, now something has changed, so he works
out what has changed and fixes it.

> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

Techies won't leave something alone when it's working fine.
A local optician has a "width of field" tester which is controlled
by a PC running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 It just works.
But the average techie would faint at the sight.

--
Andrew Benham
Southgate, London N14, United Kingdom

The gates in my computer are AND OR and NOT, not "Bill"

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 07:52, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> If he is, his box is 0wned. No question.

And if a rootkit like tdss, many virus scanners won't find it.


> Bob, putting an unpatched Win box on the internet (even behind a NAT
> router) these days isn't just asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

I set up a test server to try something with Rob, ages ago. You don't
want to know how many access attempts the thing, the unlisted
unpublished, transient server received from random IP addresses, in a
single half hour!
Thank God my Livebox filters out all this junk (but... if you are paying
for a data slice, like xGb/month, does all this crap count to your
allocation?).


> Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7.

Ah-ah, I said NO "vista was horrible, 7 is better". If that's your
logic, you're probably best off sticking with XP.


> Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install

Sometimes that's better, even if painful (esp. finding ages old CDs).
For a start, you know at once if there are going to be driver issues,
and also it helps clear some of the cack that Windows seems to
accumulate in \Windows\System32.

If I was going Windows7, I'd probably get a new harddisc, slave my old
one, and transfer that way - build up the Win7 system and then copy
across my data.
Slightly trickier on an eeePC; perhaps impossible - my 4Gb C: SSD has
200Mb free thanks to XP's gradual accumulation of nonsense; I tidy it
every so often, but there's only so far that'll work. I'd like to move
"Documents and Settings" over to D:, but I'm not certain you can do that
on a live system - ie the user part of the registry files lives in there!


> and I have everything just how I like it on XP.

:-)


> The cost also puts me off;

Yeah, way to encourage piracy.

Actually, the autocertification puts me off (the thing that WGA has
evolved into). It can now flag your version of Windows as "errant" and
nobble it at ANY time. Do I trust Microsoft never to get this wrong?


> if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
> student discount scheme.

I see half a dozen versions - Basic, Home, Home Basic... WTF?!? Can't we
have a "home" and a "business" and leave it at that?


> This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
> 95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
> away the c:\dos directory :-)

What spec?

My two XP machines claim to have been built for 98, but they run XP okay:
Aiko: 450MHz P2, 128M RAM, 80Gb HD + DVD-W + DVD-W
Ayleigh: 1.1GHz AMD, 1Gb RAM, 80+40+320Gb HD + DVD-W

[DVD-W means DVD writer]


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 10:58, Rob wrote:

> I guess that's me ...

:-)


> Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript apparently is,

I looked up blocking stuff and it seemed to involve a lot of faffing
with files and options buried in menus. It's like the so-called security
was added as an afterthought.


> Opera does offer a per-site customisation of blocking Javascript, or
> limiting it's rights, blocking plugins, [...]

So does, I think, Firefox. Never needed to look as I take a more active
role in stamping my foot. ;-)

Some of the powers of NoScript are:
* It separates domains, so if you give theregister.co.uk permission
to run, *ONLY* that domain will run, those linked from it (such as
google-analytics) need their own permission. Or not. Most of that
sort of stuff is auto-blacklisted. This is extremely useful as
giving a site permission to run starts to fail if said permission
allows the sites to pull in code from *other* sites.

* By default, all PDFs and Flash is blocked, except from sites that
have permission. I can click to allow, or back out. It would be nice
to have a SaveAs link, but nevermind...

* Extremely flexible interface, with pop-up notification. I can see in
an instant what NoScript is allowing/blocking, and give permission
on a temp (this time only) or permanent basis.

* Lots of other cross-site things are checked, like XSS clickjacking.
Not sure what that is exactly, it looks like if a link is set by
XSS to be one thing, but the link actually goes somewhere else - the
Orange.fr site constantly causes this. A really poor design...


> I've taken to running default with most off, and only enabling as needed.

Us old-timers have fond memories of when it was safe to walk around the
web alone at night... Now you need a dozen deadbolts on the door.


> The ad blocking is a learning type

AdBlockPlus works using subscription lists. Seems to be pretty
effective, though what the ad blocker would let through is pretty much
blocked by NoScript.


> I had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
> and not having features I've got used to ..

I think we can agree that the serious competitors to IE are Firefox or
Opera. While I would strongly recommend Firefox, and you Opera, I think
the best approach is to download both and give them a trial...

Remember - you can't judge based upon simply installing the browser,
you'll need to add a few things. For Firefox, as described in my
previous article. And yes, NoScript is a monumental pain in the backside
when it first starts, but after a day or two of normal browsing you'll
be likely to have your blacklist and whitelist set up. The only sticking
point is that many major sites have multiple domains, for example the
YouTube thumbnails are hosted at yimgs...


> Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

How'd you manage that, given that Explorer (the filer), is based heavily
on MSIE.


> This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Not a browser war, just trying to persuade one of our little family to
take online security a little more seriously.


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. That's why I stopped using IE, it just wouldn't work at all on certain websites. Really wierd as http is a proper standard, not the Microsoft respect standards.

Anyway, the level of security is entirely dependant on how many microsoft programs are used/active. Disabling things like remote desktop and using something other than IE makes everything less likely to get owned.

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:27:36 +1000
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem










Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download
the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and
I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!


----- Original Message -----
From:
paul
aslin
To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56
AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website
problem



I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike
the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses.
Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard
drive.

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Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/10 12:12, Andrew Livens wrote:
> The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
> download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
> this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
> operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.

That's why a friend of mine makes a decent living providing hands-on
computer support to small businesses in his area.

If you take a business like a small town solicitors, they have half
a dozen PCs, a small server, and a printer. They don't have any
computing expertise in house. Something goes wrong. If they phone
up a geek who advertises in the newsagent's window, then someone
turns up who tells them that they need to upgrade the OSes all on the
PCs, update their copies of M$ Office, buy a more modern printer,
etc. etc., otherwise it'll never work properly.

If they phone up James, he calls in with the mind-set that this setup
used to work until yesterday, now something has changed, so he works
out what has changed and fixes it.

> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

Techies won't leave something alone when it's working fine.
A local optician has a "width of field" tester which is controlled
by a PC running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 It just works.
But the average techie would faint at the sight.

--
Andrew Benham
Southgate, London N14, United Kingdom

The gates in my computer are AND OR and NOT, not "Bill"

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 07:52, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> If he is, his box is 0wned. No question.

And if a rootkit like tdss, many virus scanners won't find it.


> Bob, putting an unpatched Win box on the internet (even behind a NAT
> router) these days isn't just asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

I set up a test server to try something with Rob, ages ago. You don't
want to know how many access attempts the thing, the unlisted
unpublished, transient server received from random IP addresses, in a
single half hour!
Thank God my Livebox filters out all this junk (but... if you are paying
for a data slice, like xGb/month, does all this crap count to your
allocation?).


> Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7.

Ah-ah, I said NO "vista was horrible, 7 is better". If that's your
logic, you're probably best off sticking with XP.


> Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install

Sometimes that's better, even if painful (esp. finding ages old CDs).
For a start, you know at once if there are going to be driver issues,
and also it helps clear some of the cack that Windows seems to
accumulate in \Windows\System32.

If I was going Windows7, I'd probably get a new harddisc, slave my old
one, and transfer that way - build up the Win7 system and then copy
across my data.
Slightly trickier on an eeePC; perhaps impossible - my 4Gb C: SSD has
200Mb free thanks to XP's gradual accumulation of nonsense; I tidy it
every so often, but there's only so far that'll work. I'd like to move
"Documents and Settings" over to D:, but I'm not certain you can do that
on a live system - ie the user part of the registry files lives in there!


> and I have everything just how I like it on XP.

:-)


> The cost also puts me off;

Yeah, way to encourage piracy.

Actually, the autocertification puts me off (the thing that WGA has
evolved into). It can now flag your version of Windows as "errant" and
nobble it at ANY time. Do I trust Microsoft never to get this wrong?


> if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
> student discount scheme.

I see half a dozen versions - Basic, Home, Home Basic... WTF?!? Can't we
have a "home" and a "business" and leave it at that?


> This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
> 95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
> away the c:\dos directory :-)

What spec?

My two XP machines claim to have been built for 98, but they run XP okay:
Aiko: 450MHz P2, 128M RAM, 80Gb HD + DVD-W + DVD-W
Ayleigh: 1.1GHz AMD, 1Gb RAM, 80+40+320Gb HD + DVD-W

[DVD-W means DVD writer]


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 10:58, Rob wrote:

> I guess that's me ...

:-)


> Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript apparently is,

I looked up blocking stuff and it seemed to involve a lot of faffing
with files and options buried in menus. It's like the so-called security
was added as an afterthought.


> Opera does offer a per-site customisation of blocking Javascript, or
> limiting it's rights, blocking plugins, [...]

So does, I think, Firefox. Never needed to look as I take a more active
role in stamping my foot. ;-)

Some of the powers of NoScript are:
* It separates domains, so if you give theregister.co.uk permission
to run, *ONLY* that domain will run, those linked from it (such as
google-analytics) need their own permission. Or not. Most of that
sort of stuff is auto-blacklisted. This is extremely useful as
giving a site permission to run starts to fail if said permission
allows the sites to pull in code from *other* sites.

* By default, all PDFs and Flash is blocked, except from sites that
have permission. I can click to allow, or back out. It would be nice
to have a SaveAs link, but nevermind...

* Extremely flexible interface, with pop-up notification. I can see in
an instant what NoScript is allowing/blocking, and give permission
on a temp (this time only) or permanent basis.

* Lots of other cross-site things are checked, like XSS clickjacking.
Not sure what that is exactly, it looks like if a link is set by
XSS to be one thing, but the link actually goes somewhere else - the
Orange.fr site constantly causes this. A really poor design...


> I've taken to running default with most off, and only enabling as needed.

Us old-timers have fond memories of when it was safe to walk around the
web alone at night... Now you need a dozen deadbolts on the door.


> The ad blocking is a learning type

AdBlockPlus works using subscription lists. Seems to be pretty
effective, though what the ad blocker would let through is pretty much
blocked by NoScript.


> I had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
> and not having features I've got used to ..

I think we can agree that the serious competitors to IE are Firefox or
Opera. While I would strongly recommend Firefox, and you Opera, I think
the best approach is to download both and give them a trial...

Remember - you can't judge based upon simply installing the browser,
you'll need to add a few things. For Firefox, as described in my
previous article. And yes, NoScript is a monumental pain in the backside
when it first starts, but after a day or two of normal browsing you'll
be likely to have your blacklist and whitelist set up. The only sticking
point is that many major sites have multiple domains, for example the
YouTube thumbnails are hosted at yimgs...


> Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

How'd you manage that, given that Explorer (the filer), is based heavily
on MSIE.


> This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Not a browser war, just trying to persuade one of our little family to
take online security a little more seriously.


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. That's why I stopped using IE, it just wouldn't work at all on certain websites. Really wierd as http is a proper standard, not the Microsoft respect standards.

Anyway, the level of security is entirely dependant on how many microsoft programs are used/active. Disabling things like remote desktop and using something other than IE makes everything less likely to get owned.

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:27:36 +1000
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem










Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download
the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and
I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!


----- Original Message -----
From:
paul
aslin
To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56
AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website
problem



I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike
the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses.
Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard
drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
On 27/07/2010 15:55, paul aslin wrote:

> Really wierd as http is a proper standard,

Mmmm... Which one? There's a dozen of them. ;-)



> Anyway, the level of security is entirely dependant on how many
> microsoft programs are used/active. Disabling things like remote
> desktop and using something other than IE makes everything less
> likely to get owned.

This is something us dopey apparently-clueless techies are trying so
hard to instruct the world about. Yes, IE is insecure, IE6 especially
so. But moving to another browser won't prevent something nasty
exploiting a bug in Flash?

An idea or two:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/09/adobe_flash_crash_bug/


Did you know they've recently uncovered a bug in Explorer's handling of
shortcuts so that simply opening an 'infected' USB (etc) device (inc.
NAS and such) will infect? Nothing needs to be specifically run, as soon
as Explorer sees the shortcut, wham.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/27/zeus_exploit_shortcut_hole/
As you can guess by the URL, it's in the wild and it affects EVERY
version of Windows ('cept 3.x :-) ).

Before anybody makes a comment on how lame Windows is, let me first say:
!App.!Boot
Open the folder containing apps, all the !Boot files are scanned so RISC
OS can learn the runtypes and such. It would be a doddle to insert
something nasty here, and it would behave in much the same way.

This, however, is the danger of staying with XP SP2. For the moment,
we're all vulnerable. Soonish, a patch will be released for SP3, Vista,
Win7...
But on SP2, you'll never again be able to use a CD/DVD-ROM, flash disc,
or NAS without knowing exactly where it came from, or - in the case of
USB/SD, formatting it as soon as it is first installed.


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/10 12:12, Andrew Livens wrote:
> The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
> download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
> this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
> operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.

That's why a friend of mine makes a decent living providing hands-on
computer support to small businesses in his area.

If you take a business like a small town solicitors, they have half
a dozen PCs, a small server, and a printer. They don't have any
computing expertise in house. Something goes wrong. If they phone
up a geek who advertises in the newsagent's window, then someone
turns up who tells them that they need to upgrade the OSes all on the
PCs, update their copies of M$ Office, buy a more modern printer,
etc. etc., otherwise it'll never work properly.

If they phone up James, he calls in with the mind-set that this setup
used to work until yesterday, now something has changed, so he works
out what has changed and fixes it.

> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

Techies won't leave something alone when it's working fine.
A local optician has a "width of field" tester which is controlled
by a PC running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 It just works.
But the average techie would faint at the sight.

--
Andrew Benham
Southgate, London N14, United Kingdom

The gates in my computer are AND OR and NOT, not "Bill"

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 07:52, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> If he is, his box is 0wned. No question.

And if a rootkit like tdss, many virus scanners won't find it.


> Bob, putting an unpatched Win box on the internet (even behind a NAT
> router) these days isn't just asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

I set up a test server to try something with Rob, ages ago. You don't
want to know how many access attempts the thing, the unlisted
unpublished, transient server received from random IP addresses, in a
single half hour!
Thank God my Livebox filters out all this junk (but... if you are paying
for a data slice, like xGb/month, does all this crap count to your
allocation?).


> Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7.

Ah-ah, I said NO "vista was horrible, 7 is better". If that's your
logic, you're probably best off sticking with XP.


> Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install

Sometimes that's better, even if painful (esp. finding ages old CDs).
For a start, you know at once if there are going to be driver issues,
and also it helps clear some of the cack that Windows seems to
accumulate in \Windows\System32.

If I was going Windows7, I'd probably get a new harddisc, slave my old
one, and transfer that way - build up the Win7 system and then copy
across my data.
Slightly trickier on an eeePC; perhaps impossible - my 4Gb C: SSD has
200Mb free thanks to XP's gradual accumulation of nonsense; I tidy it
every so often, but there's only so far that'll work. I'd like to move
"Documents and Settings" over to D:, but I'm not certain you can do that
on a live system - ie the user part of the registry files lives in there!


> and I have everything just how I like it on XP.

:-)


> The cost also puts me off;

Yeah, way to encourage piracy.

Actually, the autocertification puts me off (the thing that WGA has
evolved into). It can now flag your version of Windows as "errant" and
nobble it at ANY time. Do I trust Microsoft never to get this wrong?


> if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
> student discount scheme.

I see half a dozen versions - Basic, Home, Home Basic... WTF?!? Can't we
have a "home" and a "business" and leave it at that?


> This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
> 95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
> away the c:\dos directory :-)

What spec?

My two XP machines claim to have been built for 98, but they run XP okay:
Aiko: 450MHz P2, 128M RAM, 80Gb HD + DVD-W + DVD-W
Ayleigh: 1.1GHz AMD, 1Gb RAM, 80+40+320Gb HD + DVD-W

[DVD-W means DVD writer]


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 10:58, Rob wrote:

> I guess that's me ...

:-)


> Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript apparently is,

I looked up blocking stuff and it seemed to involve a lot of faffing
with files and options buried in menus. It's like the so-called security
was added as an afterthought.


> Opera does offer a per-site customisation of blocking Javascript, or
> limiting it's rights, blocking plugins, [...]

So does, I think, Firefox. Never needed to look as I take a more active
role in stamping my foot. ;-)

Some of the powers of NoScript are:
* It separates domains, so if you give theregister.co.uk permission
to run, *ONLY* that domain will run, those linked from it (such as
google-analytics) need their own permission. Or not. Most of that
sort of stuff is auto-blacklisted. This is extremely useful as
giving a site permission to run starts to fail if said permission
allows the sites to pull in code from *other* sites.

* By default, all PDFs and Flash is blocked, except from sites that
have permission. I can click to allow, or back out. It would be nice
to have a SaveAs link, but nevermind...

* Extremely flexible interface, with pop-up notification. I can see in
an instant what NoScript is allowing/blocking, and give permission
on a temp (this time only) or permanent basis.

* Lots of other cross-site things are checked, like XSS clickjacking.
Not sure what that is exactly, it looks like if a link is set by
XSS to be one thing, but the link actually goes somewhere else - the
Orange.fr site constantly causes this. A really poor design...


> I've taken to running default with most off, and only enabling as needed.

Us old-timers have fond memories of when it was safe to walk around the
web alone at night... Now you need a dozen deadbolts on the door.


> The ad blocking is a learning type

AdBlockPlus works using subscription lists. Seems to be pretty
effective, though what the ad blocker would let through is pretty much
blocked by NoScript.


> I had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
> and not having features I've got used to ..

I think we can agree that the serious competitors to IE are Firefox or
Opera. While I would strongly recommend Firefox, and you Opera, I think
the best approach is to download both and give them a trial...

Remember - you can't judge based upon simply installing the browser,
you'll need to add a few things. For Firefox, as described in my
previous article. And yes, NoScript is a monumental pain in the backside
when it first starts, but after a day or two of normal browsing you'll
be likely to have your blacklist and whitelist set up. The only sticking
point is that many major sites have multiple domains, for example the
YouTube thumbnails are hosted at yimgs...


> Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

How'd you manage that, given that Explorer (the filer), is based heavily
on MSIE.


> This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Not a browser war, just trying to persuade one of our little family to
take online security a little more seriously.


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. That's why I stopped using IE, it just wouldn't work at all on certain websites. Really wierd as http is a proper standard, not the Microsoft respect standards.

Anyway, the level of security is entirely dependant on how many microsoft programs are used/active. Disabling things like remote desktop and using something other than IE makes everything less likely to get owned.

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:27:36 +1000
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem










Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download
the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and
I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!


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From:
paul
aslin
To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56
AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website
problem



I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike
the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses.
Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard
drive.

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On 27/07/2010 15:55, paul aslin wrote:

> Really wierd as http is a proper standard,

Mmmm... Which one? There's a dozen of them. ;-)



> Anyway, the level of security is entirely dependant on how many
> microsoft programs are used/active. Disabling things like remote
> desktop and using something other than IE makes everything less
> likely to get owned.

This is something us dopey apparently-clueless techies are trying so
hard to instruct the world about. Yes, IE is insecure, IE6 especially
so. But moving to another browser won't prevent something nasty
exploiting a bug in Flash?

An idea or two:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/09/adobe_flash_crash_bug/


Did you know they've recently uncovered a bug in Explorer's handling of
shortcuts so that simply opening an 'infected' USB (etc) device (inc.
NAS and such) will infect? Nothing needs to be specifically run, as soon
as Explorer sees the shortcut, wham.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/27/zeus_exploit_shortcut_hole/
As you can guess by the URL, it's in the wild and it affects EVERY
version of Windows ('cept 3.x :-) ).

Before anybody makes a comment on how lame Windows is, let me first say:
!App.!Boot
Open the folder containing apps, all the !Boot files are scanned so RISC
OS can learn the runtypes and such. It would be a doddle to insert
something nasty here, and it would behave in much the same way.

This, however, is the danger of staying with XP SP2. For the moment,
we're all vulnerable. Soonish, a patch will be released for SP3, Vista,
Win7...
But on SP2, you'll never again be able to use a CD/DVD-ROM, flash disc,
or NAS without knowing exactly where it came from, or - in the case of
USB/SD, formatting it as soon as it is first installed.


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 13:12, Andrew Livens wrote:

> The replies on this are so funny

Glad to have given you a smile. ;-)


> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

We geeks work on the principle of fixing the big problems first. To us,
the big problem is the software used. Sort that, then we can worry about
how to download a file!


> Bob – what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
> it to your machine ?

If it was me, I'd give up on BBCDocs for now.

The Econet Advanced User Guide did not load for me. Stepping back in the
URL, to http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/econet/ I see a blank screen
saying only "Parent directory".

If you look at http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/hardware/ you'll see a
bunch of files.

It would appear that the files listed don't match the files actually
present, hence there are likely to be various disparities... Mmmm...


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Hi all,

I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
(www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
file, but then stops, and finally errors out.

As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.

The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf


--
Besides a mathematical inclination, an exceptionally good mastery of one's
native tongue is the most vital asset of a competent programmer.

Edsger W.Dijkstra, 18 June 1975


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the (PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is: http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Phill,
I followed your directions, and found the Welcome.pdf file, but I still
can't download it :(

I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
arrangement.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: Phill Harvey-Smith
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem


Bob Devries wrote:
> Hi all,

Hi Bob,

> I seem to be having a problem grabbing files from the BBC DOCS
> (www.bbcdocs.com) website. I click on a link and it starts to load the
(PDF)
> file, but then stops, and finally errors out.
>
> As an example, the BBC Welcome booklet file gets to 11kB, and finally
errors
> out. I'm using IE6 and Acrobat reader 9 on WinXP Pro SP2.

You do of course realise that IE6 and XP SP2 are ancient and very
vulnarable ?

> Oddly enough, the thumbnail link shows as:
> File:////D:/Beeb/bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf
> It does, however, show the thumbnail correctly.
>
> The file's link is:
http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/Welcome.pdf

Humm 404 error here with Firefox 3.5.11, and XP SP3, so looks like that
file is linked wrongly / missing....

However I was able to download the BBC user guide and Advanced user
guide without problems.

Humm there's deffo something odd going on, I took the liink to the
advanced user guide and pasted it into firefox, and removed the filename
:-

http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/essentials/

I then clicked onto the atom directory and then on parent directory
(from the atom one), and came back up somewhere else with many more
files.....guess someone's got their links in a twist :(

The Welcome.pdf is there and I was able to successfully download it.

Cheers.

Phill.

--
Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !

"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Bob Devries <> wrote:
> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest, but I absolutely loathe Windows
> 7, and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a stable
> arrangement.

This is getting off-topic, but Bob, I hope you're aware that XP SP2 is
no longer supported by Microsoft (since early July), and they won't be
issuing any more patches for it. You may want to look at upgrading to
SP3, which is still supported, and is a relatively straightforward
upgrade.


Regards,
Daniel

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Hi Paul,

Even when I right-click on the link, and select "save target as", it still won't download. I get an error message which tells me that IE can't open the website. I'd guess this is an IE issue, not an acrobat reader issue.

Regards, Bob Devries

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!

----- Original Message -----
From: paul aslin
To: bbc-
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem




I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 01:46, Bob Devries wrote:

> I know WinXP and IE6 are not the greatest,

WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?


> but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,

Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]


> and since I'm running on fairly old hardware, I at least have a
> stable arrangement.

That's the reason I've kept Aiko and Ayleigh far away from the Internet. :-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. In article <>, Rick Murray <>
writes

>WinXP is okay, IE6 is the problem. XP SP2 means you're effectively
>dropping out of the update cycle. Are you on always-on broadband?

If he is, his box is 0wned. No question. Bob, putting an unpatched Win
box on the internet (even behind a NAT router) these days isn't just
asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

>Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7. Gave the betas
a whirl and it isn't too bad. Still a terrible cpu and memory hog
though, and I kinda resent that.

Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install and
I have everything just how I like it on XP. The cost also puts me off;
if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
student discount scheme.

This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
away the c:\dos directory :-)

>[note: "it is better than Vista" does not count as a reason for liking
>it; a French magazine summed it up nicely with "now that the awful Vista
>is behind us, Windows7 more or less brings us back to what XP is capable
>of, think of it like XP with a service pack four..."]

Nicely put.

--
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27 July 2010 04:32, Rick Murray <> wrote:
>   2. Opera
>      Many people recommend this religiously, but it has a market share
>      that never goes anywhere. It looks a fairly decent browser let down
>      by some dumb design decisions. Beware of insane opinionated fans
>      who will slap you down for saying Opera is a security risk because
>      it does not offer NoScript-like behaviour, for said fans appear to
>      think that NoScript blocks JavaScript and does NOTHING else.

I guess that's me ... So what does NoScript do that Opera natively
doesn't? Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript
apparently is, reading it's website, Opera does offer a per-site
customisation of blocking Javascript, or limiting it's rights,
blocking plugins, flash, sound and animation, cookies, frames,
iframes, css, content blocking, browser-ID, etc. After reading Rick's
comments on NoScript, I've taken to running default with most off, and
only enabling as needed.

>For me
>      it has a tendency to instantly "give up" on a web page fetch,
>      meaning you have to tell it to refresh. But since its content
>      filtering is woeful and its ad blocking doesn't, I wouldn't
>      recommend this either.

Works for me - The ad blocking is a learning type - if you see an ad,
right click it, select "block content" and it's bye-bye forever for
anything from that site. You can download read-to-run lists of places
to block if you feel like it..

Oh, and it can also run firefox's greasemonkey scripts, as well as
it's own versions of user javascript and plugins and widgets.

>
>   Chrome and Firefox
I guess I'm the opposite to you - for all their apparent virtues, I
had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
and not having features I've got used to .. Neither of them have made
me want to change over. Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

> You are aware most modern attacks are coming in via Flash and payloads
> in PDFs?

I got bitten by this recently. I now run Foxit reader... that's when
I don't send online PDFs instead over to
http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=


This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Rob

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.



Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?



Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
it to your machine ?



Are you able to download any of the text files or the image files from
BBCDocs directly and view them in the browser and if not what happens if
you right click on the link and just try to save it to your machine ?





[mailto:bbc-micro-bounces+andy=top-] On
Behalf Of Bob Devries
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem



Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download the same file from
here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and I successfully
downloaded it. Go figure!



----- Original Message -----

From: paul aslin

To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56 AM

Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem





I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from
http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and
get owned by viruses. Use the save button in the program to save a copy
of the file to your hard drive.

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe.
> > but I absolutely loathe Windows 7,
>
> Uhhhh... Show of hands for who likes it?

Yup. Moi. Absolutely love it. So much better than XP and I am far more
productive using it in so many areas.

-Mark


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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/10 12:12, Andrew Livens wrote:
> The replies on this are so funny - the guy just wants to be able to
> download a file and he gets pages of advice on how he should be running
> this and not running that, government recommendations and deprecated
> operating systems, but none on how to help fix the problem.

That's why a friend of mine makes a decent living providing hands-on
computer support to small businesses in his area.

If you take a business like a small town solicitors, they have half
a dozen PCs, a small server, and a printer. They don't have any
computing expertise in house. Something goes wrong. If they phone
up a geek who advertises in the newsagent's window, then someone
turns up who tells them that they need to upgrade the OSes all on the
PCs, update their copies of M$ Office, buy a more modern printer,
etc. etc., otherwise it'll never work properly.

If they phone up James, he calls in with the mind-set that this setup
used to work until yesterday, now something has changed, so he works
out what has changed and fixes it.

> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

Techies won't leave something alone when it's working fine.
A local optician has a "width of field" tester which is controlled
by a PC running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 It just works.
But the average techie would faint at the sight.

--
Andrew Benham
Southgate, London N14, United Kingdom

The gates in my computer are AND OR and NOT, not "Bill"

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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 07:52, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

> If he is, his box is 0wned. No question.

And if a rootkit like tdss, many virus scanners won't find it.


> Bob, putting an unpatched Win box on the internet (even behind a NAT
> router) these days isn't just asking for trouble, it's guaranteed.

I set up a test server to try something with Rob, ages ago. You don't
want to know how many access attempts the thing, the unlisted
unpublished, transient server received from random IP addresses, in a
single half hour!
Thank God my Livebox filters out all this junk (but... if you are paying
for a data slice, like xGb/month, does all this crap count to your
allocation?).


> Vi$ta was terrible, but I could be persuaded to go to 7.

Ah-ah, I said NO "vista was horrible, 7 is better". If that's your
logic, you're probably best off sticking with XP.


> Thing is, you can't upgrade from XP, you have to do a fresh install

Sometimes that's better, even if painful (esp. finding ages old CDs).
For a start, you know at once if there are going to be driver issues,
and also it helps clear some of the cack that Windows seems to
accumulate in \Windows\System32.

If I was going Windows7, I'd probably get a new harddisc, slave my old
one, and transfer that way - build up the Win7 system and then copy
across my data.
Slightly trickier on an eeePC; perhaps impossible - my 4Gb C: SSD has
200Mb free thanks to XP's gradual accumulation of nonsense; I tidy it
every so often, but there's only so far that'll work. I'd like to move
"Documents and Settings" over to D:, but I'm not certain you can do that
on a live system - ie the user part of the registry files lives in there!


> and I have everything just how I like it on XP.

:-)


> The cost also puts me off;

Yeah, way to encourage piracy.

Actually, the autocertification puts me off (the thing that WGA has
evolved into). It can now flag your version of Windows as "errant" and
nobble it at ANY time. Do I trust Microsoft never to get this wrong?


> if I got 7, I'd want the Pro version which isn't available on the
> student discount scheme.

I see half a dozen versions - Basic, Home, Home Basic... WTF?!? Can't we
have a "home" and a "business" and leave it at that?


> This box I'm typing on now has been upgraded from DOS6.22/Win3.1 thru
> 95, 98, (skipped Me and NT4) 2000, and now XP. I only recently blew
> away the c:\dos directory :-)

What spec?

My two XP machines claim to have been built for 98, but they run XP okay:
Aiko: 450MHz P2, 128M RAM, 80Gb HD + DVD-W + DVD-W
Ayleigh: 1.1GHz AMD, 1Gb RAM, 80+40+320Gb HD + DVD-W

[DVD-W means DVD writer]


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 10:58, Rob wrote:

> I guess that's me ...

:-)


> Whilst it's perhaps not quite as easy to use as NoScript apparently is,

I looked up blocking stuff and it seemed to involve a lot of faffing
with files and options buried in menus. It's like the so-called security
was added as an afterthought.


> Opera does offer a per-site customisation of blocking Javascript, or
> limiting it's rights, blocking plugins, [...]

So does, I think, Firefox. Never needed to look as I take a more active
role in stamping my foot. ;-)

Some of the powers of NoScript are:
* It separates domains, so if you give theregister.co.uk permission
to run, *ONLY* that domain will run, those linked from it (such as
google-analytics) need their own permission. Or not. Most of that
sort of stuff is auto-blacklisted. This is extremely useful as
giving a site permission to run starts to fail if said permission
allows the sites to pull in code from *other* sites.

* By default, all PDFs and Flash is blocked, except from sites that
have permission. I can click to allow, or back out. It would be nice
to have a SaveAs link, but nevermind...

* Extremely flexible interface, with pop-up notification. I can see in
an instant what NoScript is allowing/blocking, and give permission
on a temp (this time only) or permanent basis.

* Lots of other cross-site things are checked, like XSS clickjacking.
Not sure what that is exactly, it looks like if a link is set by
XSS to be one thing, but the link actually goes somewhere else - the
Orange.fr site constantly causes this. A really poor design...


> I've taken to running default with most off, and only enabling as needed.

Us old-timers have fond memories of when it was safe to walk around the
web alone at night... Now you need a dozen deadbolts on the door.


> The ad blocking is a learning type

AdBlockPlus works using subscription lists. Seems to be pretty
effective, though what the ad blocker would let through is pretty much
blocked by NoScript.


> I had terrible trouble with both of these being unstable, non-intuitive
> and not having features I've got used to ..

I think we can agree that the serious competitors to IE are Firefox or
Opera. While I would strongly recommend Firefox, and you Opera, I think
the best approach is to download both and give them a trial...

Remember - you can't judge based upon simply installing the browser,
you'll need to add a few things. For Firefox, as described in my
previous article. And yes, NoScript is a monumental pain in the backside
when it first starts, but after a day or two of normal browsing you'll
be likely to have your blacklist and whitelist set up. The only sticking
point is that many major sites have multiple domains, for example the
YouTube thumbnails are hosted at yimgs...


> Oh, and I've not even got IE installed...

How'd you manage that, given that Explorer (the filer), is based heavily
on MSIE.


> This is probably the wrong place for a browser war, however..!

Not a browser war, just trying to persuade one of our little family to
take online security a little more seriously.


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. That's why I stopped using IE, it just wouldn't work at all on certain websites. Really wierd as http is a proper standard, not the Microsoft respect standards.

Anyway, the level of security is entirely dependant on how many microsoft programs are used/active. Disabling things like remote desktop and using something other than IE makes everything less likely to get owned.

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:27:36 +1000
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website problem










Out of interest/desperation?, I tried to download
the same file from here: http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/bbc/doc/Welcome.pdf and
I successfully downloaded it. Go figure!


----- Original Message -----
From:
paul
aslin
To: bbc-

Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:56
AM
Subject: Re: [BBC-Micro] bbcdocs website
problem



I recommend "PDF-XChange Viewer", free from http://www.tracker-software.com/product/downloads

Unlike
the Adobe PDF viewer this one doesn't lockup, crash and get owned by viruses.
Use the save button in the program to save a copy of the file to your hard
drive.

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On 27/07/2010 15:55, paul aslin wrote:

> Really wierd as http is a proper standard,

Mmmm... Which one? There's a dozen of them. ;-)



> Anyway, the level of security is entirely dependant on how many
> microsoft programs are used/active. Disabling things like remote
> desktop and using something other than IE makes everything less
> likely to get owned.

This is something us dopey apparently-clueless techies are trying so
hard to instruct the world about. Yes, IE is insecure, IE6 especially
so. But moving to another browser won't prevent something nasty
exploiting a bug in Flash?

An idea or two:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/09/adobe_flash_crash_bug/


Did you know they've recently uncovered a bug in Explorer's handling of
shortcuts so that simply opening an 'infected' USB (etc) device (inc.
NAS and such) will infect? Nothing needs to be specifically run, as soon
as Explorer sees the shortcut, wham.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/27/zeus_exploit_shortcut_hole/
As you can guess by the URL, it's in the wild and it affects EVERY
version of Windows ('cept 3.x :-) ).

Before anybody makes a comment on how lame Windows is, let me first say:
!App.!Boot
Open the folder containing apps, all the !Boot files are scanned so RISC
OS can learn the runtypes and such. It would be a doddle to insert
something nasty here, and it would behave in much the same way.

This, however, is the danger of staying with XP SP2. For the moment,
we're all vulnerable. Soonish, a patch will be released for SP3, Vista,
Win7...
But on SP2, you'll never again be able to use a CD/DVD-ROM, flash disc,
or NAS without knowing exactly where it came from, or - in the case of
USB/SD, formatting it as soon as it is first installed.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. On 27/07/2010 13:12, Andrew Livens wrote:

> The replies on this are so funny

Glad to have given you a smile. ;-)


> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

We geeks work on the principle of fixing the big problems first. To us,
the big problem is the software used. Sort that, then we can worry about
how to download a file!


> Bob – what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
> it to your machine ?

If it was me, I'd give up on BBCDocs for now.

The Econet Advanced User Guide did not load for me. Stepping back in the
URL, to http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/econet/ I see a blank screen
saying only "Parent directory".

If you look at http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/hardware/ you'll see a
bunch of files.

It would appear that the files listed don't match the files actually
present, hence there are likely to be various disparities... Mmmm...


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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Posted on the Bbc-micro mailing list. Go to http://lists.cloud9.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/bbc-micro to subscribe. Rick, your emails always make me smile, and I'm always surprised by the
amount of content you manage to cram into them.

Anyway, whilst "you geeks" fix the worlds big IT problems, the rest of
us have to find work arounds and solutions so that the people who pay
for the hardware and software can use it in order to do work (or have
fun). If the rest of us had to wait for fixes we'd all go bust :-(



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On 27/07/2010 13:12, Andrew Livens wrote:

> The replies on this are so funny

Glad to have given you a smile. ;-)


> Is it any wonder people think techies are no use to anyone ?

We geeks work on the principle of fixing the big problems first. To us,
the big problem is the software used. Sort that, then we can worry about

how to download a file!


> Bob - what happens if you right click on the file and just try to save
> it to your machine ?

If it was me, I'd give up on BBCDocs for now.

The Econet Advanced User Guide did not load for me. Stepping back in the

URL, to http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/econet/ I see a blank screen
saying only "Parent directory".

If you look at http://www.bbcdocs.com/filebase/hardware/ you'll see a
bunch of files.

It would appear that the files listed don't match the files actually
present, hence there are likely to be various disparities... Mmmm...


Best wishes,

Rick.

--
Rick Murray, eeePC901 & ADSL WiFI'd into it, all ETLAs!
BBC B: DNFS, 2 x 5.25" floppies, EPROM prog, Acorn TTX
E01S FileStore, A3000/A5000/RiscPC/various PCs/blahblah...



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