Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010) we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
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1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
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Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010) we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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-----Original Message-----
From: cym-qean-
[mailto:cym-qean-] On Behalf Of Adrian Dolling
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Arnold Ranneris
Cc: Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating
elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service
Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business
meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute
making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining
and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we
move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we
reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways
to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out
the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We
ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear
power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and
fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is
to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe.

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010) we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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-----Original Message-----
From: cym-qean-
[mailto:cym-qean-] On Behalf Of Adrian Dolling
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Arnold Ranneris
Cc: Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating
elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service
Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business
meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute
making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining
and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we
move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we
reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways
to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out
the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We
ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear
power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and
fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is
to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to clarify
that we are talking about nuclear fission.

The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept separate
from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead of your
specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute worded
something like this.

"We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and to
evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on Quaker
values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and Earth
Stewardship."

Regards

Dave Greenfield

email

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From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
To: <>
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Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power


> Dear Friends:
>
> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
> going to our
> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>
> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
> propagating elsewhere.
>
> Adrian
>
> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
> April 10, 2010
> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>
> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
> Service Committee
> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
> business meeting of
> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
> Representative
> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>
> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
> we reviewed the
> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
> Canadian Friends
> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>
> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
> minute making it
> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>
> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
> contamination through
> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
> the unsolved problem
> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
> reactor fuel for
> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
> Canada to phase
> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
> refining and export of
> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
> fission-based
> nuclear reactor technology."
>
> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
> fusion-
> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
> power." (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>
>
> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>
> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
> Interest Group on
> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
> as follows:
> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
> the realities of a
> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
> consistent with Quaker
> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that
> we move away
> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
> systems such as
> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that
> we reduce our energy
> use through conservation.
>
> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek
> ways to reduce
> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
> sources for our
> Meeting Houses.
>
> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
> mining, tritium
> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
> problem of highly
> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel
> for weapons. It is
> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
> out the use of
> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
> export of
> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
> technology.
> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
> Friends and
> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute.
> We ask CFSC
> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
> this topic. We
> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>
>
> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
> Priority: normal
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Send reply to:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action
> Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Dear QEAN Friends:
>
> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
> SIGs will
> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
> session 2009.
>
> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
> will find its way to
> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>
> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
> nuclear power, which
> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
> associated with
> fission based power.
>
> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
> SIG are:
> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
> Toronto, and
> b) a former physics teacher.
>
> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion
> and fission (the
> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>
> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations
> is to
> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
> issues around
> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
> authors - but they
> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>
> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
> about fusion
> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
> fission-based
> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>
> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!
>
> Adrian
> --
> Adrian Dolling
> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
> c: +1 250.885.5725
> e:
>
>
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>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe.

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010) we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Adrian, this is good, and we can discuss it at MM next week. Arnold

-----Original Message-----
From: cym-qean-
[mailto:cym-qean-] On Behalf Of Adrian Dolling
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Arnold Ranneris
Cc: Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating
elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service
Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business
meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute
making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining
and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we
move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we
reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways
to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out
the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We
ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear
power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and
fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is
to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Adrian:

I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to clarify
that we are talking about nuclear fission.

The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept separate
from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead of your
specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute worded
something like this.

"We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and to
evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on Quaker
values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and Earth
Stewardship."

Regards

Dave Greenfield

email

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
To: <>
Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)"

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power


> Dear Friends:
>
> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
> going to our
> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>
> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
> propagating elsewhere.
>
> Adrian
>
> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
> April 10, 2010
> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>
> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
> Service Committee
> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
> business meeting of
> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
> Representative
> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>
> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
> we reviewed the
> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
> Canadian Friends
> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>
> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
> minute making it
> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>
> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
> contamination through
> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
> the unsolved problem
> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
> reactor fuel for
> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
> Canada to phase
> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
> refining and export of
> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
> fission-based
> nuclear reactor technology."
>
> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
> fusion-
> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
> power." (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>
>
> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>
> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
> Interest Group on
> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
> as follows:
> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
> the realities of a
> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
> consistent with Quaker
> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that
> we move away
> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
> systems such as
> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that
> we reduce our energy
> use through conservation.
>
> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek
> ways to reduce
> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
> sources for our
> Meeting Houses.
>
> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
> mining, tritium
> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
> problem of highly
> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel
> for weapons. It is
> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
> out the use of
> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
> export of
> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
> technology.
> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
> Friends and
> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute.
> We ask CFSC
> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
> this topic. We
> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>
>
> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
> Priority: normal
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Send reply to:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action
> Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Dear QEAN Friends:
>
> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
> SIGs will
> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
> session 2009.
>
> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
> will find its way to
> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>
> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
> nuclear power, which
> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
> associated with
> fission based power.
>
> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
> SIG are:
> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
> Toronto, and
> b) a former physics teacher.
>
> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion
> and fission (the
> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>
> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations
> is to
> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
> issues around
> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
> authors - but they
> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>
> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
> about fusion
> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
> fission-based
> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>
> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!
>
> Adrian
> --
> Adrian Dolling
> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
> c: +1 250.885.5725
> e:
>
>
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>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Dave,

I'm sure that broadening the sense of the second minute will be discussed elsewhere. Our
consideration was very specific.

The separate minute was created for two main reasons:

a) to encourage Friends to differentiate between fusion-based and fission-based nuclear
power; and
b) to encourage a subsequent discussion on the (potentially) huge merits of fusion-based
nuclear power.

Adrian

Date sent: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:48:55 -0600
From: David Greenfield <>
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
To:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
(QEAN)"


Hi Adrian:

I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to clarify
that we are talking about nuclear fission.

The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept separate
from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead of your
specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute worded
something like this.

"We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and to
evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on Quaker
values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and Earth
Stewardship."

Regards

Dave Greenfield

email

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
To: <>
Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)"

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power


> Dear Friends:
>
> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
> going to our
> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>
> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
> propagating elsewhere.
>
> Adrian
>
> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
> April 10, 2010
> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>
> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
> Service Committee
> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
> business meeting of
> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
> Representative
> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>
> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
> we reviewed the
> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
> Canadian Friends
> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>
> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
> minute making it
> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>
> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
> contamination through
> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
> the unsolved problem
> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
> reactor fuel for
> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
> Canada to phase
> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
> refining and export of
> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
> fission-based
> nuclear reactor technology."
>
> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
> fusion-
> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
> power." (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>
>
> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>
> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
> Interest Group on
> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
> as follows:
> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
> the realities of a
> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
> consistent with Quaker
> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that
> we move away
> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
> systems such as
> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that
> we reduce our energy
> use through conservation.
>
> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek
> ways to reduce
> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
> sources for our
> Meeting Houses.
>
> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
> mining, tritium
> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
> problem of highly
> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel
> for weapons. It is
> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
> out the use of
> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
> export of
> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
> technology.
> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
> Friends and
> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute.
> We ask CFSC
> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
> this topic. We
> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>
>
> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
> Priority: normal
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Send reply to:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action
> Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Dear QEAN Friends:
>
> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
> SIGs will
> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
> session 2009.
>
> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
> will find its way to
> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>
> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
> nuclear power, which
> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
> associated with
> fission based power.
>
> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
> SIG are:
> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
> Toronto, and
> b) a former physics teacher.
>
> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion
> and fission (the
> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>
> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations
> is to
> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
> issues around
> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
> authors - but they
> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>
> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
> about fusion
> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
> fission-based
> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>
> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!
>
> Adrian
> --
> Adrian Dolling
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Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe.

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010) we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
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1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Adrian, this is good, and we can discuss it at MM next week. Arnold

-----Original Message-----
From: cym-qean-
[mailto:cym-qean-] On Behalf Of Adrian Dolling
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Arnold Ranneris
Cc: Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating
elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service
Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business
meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute
making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining
and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we
move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we
reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways
to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out
the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We
ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear
power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and
fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is
to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Adrian:

I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to clarify
that we are talking about nuclear fission.

The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept separate
from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead of your
specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute worded
something like this.

"We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and to
evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on Quaker
values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and Earth
Stewardship."

Regards

Dave Greenfield

email

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
To: <>
Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)"

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power


> Dear Friends:
>
> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
> going to our
> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>
> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
> propagating elsewhere.
>
> Adrian
>
> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
> April 10, 2010
> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>
> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
> Service Committee
> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
> business meeting of
> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
> Representative
> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>
> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
> we reviewed the
> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
> Canadian Friends
> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>
> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
> minute making it
> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>
> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
> contamination through
> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
> the unsolved problem
> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
> reactor fuel for
> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
> Canada to phase
> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
> refining and export of
> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
> fission-based
> nuclear reactor technology."
>
> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
> fusion-
> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
> power." (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>
>
> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>
> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
> Interest Group on
> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
> as follows:
> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
> the realities of a
> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
> consistent with Quaker
> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that
> we move away
> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
> systems such as
> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that
> we reduce our energy
> use through conservation.
>
> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek
> ways to reduce
> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
> sources for our
> Meeting Houses.
>
> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
> mining, tritium
> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
> problem of highly
> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel
> for weapons. It is
> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
> out the use of
> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
> export of
> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
> technology.
> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
> Friends and
> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute.
> We ask CFSC
> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
> this topic. We
> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>
>
> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
> Priority: normal
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Send reply to:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action
> Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Dear QEAN Friends:
>
> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
> SIGs will
> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
> session 2009.
>
> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
> will find its way to
> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>
> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
> nuclear power, which
> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
> associated with
> fission based power.
>
> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
> SIG are:
> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
> Toronto, and
> b) a former physics teacher.
>
> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion
> and fission (the
> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>
> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations
> is to
> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
> issues around
> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
> authors - but they
> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>
> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
> about fusion
> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
> fission-based
> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>
> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!
>
> Adrian
> --
> Adrian Dolling
> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
> c: +1 250.885.5725
> e:
>
>
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> Tested on: 14/03/2010 7:54:47 PM
> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software.
> http://www.avast.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Dave,

I'm sure that broadening the sense of the second minute will be discussed elsewhere. Our
consideration was very specific.

The separate minute was created for two main reasons:

a) to encourage Friends to differentiate between fusion-based and fission-based nuclear
power; and
b) to encourage a subsequent discussion on the (potentially) huge merits of fusion-based
nuclear power.

Adrian

Date sent: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:48:55 -0600
From: David Greenfield <>
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
To:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
(QEAN)"


Hi Adrian:

I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to clarify
that we are talking about nuclear fission.

The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept separate
from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead of your
specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute worded
something like this.

"We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and to
evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on Quaker
values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and Earth
Stewardship."

Regards

Dave Greenfield

email

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
To: <>
Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)"

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power


> Dear Friends:
>
> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
> going to our
> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>
> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
> propagating elsewhere.
>
> Adrian
>
> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
> April 10, 2010
> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>
> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
> Service Committee
> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
> business meeting of
> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
> Representative
> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>
> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
> we reviewed the
> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
> Canadian Friends
> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>
> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
> minute making it
> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>
> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
> contamination through
> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
> the unsolved problem
> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
> reactor fuel for
> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
> Canada to phase
> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
> refining and export of
> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
> fission-based
> nuclear reactor technology."
>
> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
> fusion-
> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
> power." (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>
>
> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>
> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
> Interest Group on
> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
> as follows:
> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
> the realities of a
> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
> consistent with Quaker
> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that
> we move away
> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
> systems such as
> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that
> we reduce our energy
> use through conservation.
>
> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek
> ways to reduce
> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
> sources for our
> Meeting Houses.
>
> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
> mining, tritium
> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
> problem of highly
> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel
> for weapons. It is
> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
> out the use of
> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
> export of
> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
> technology.
> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
> Friends and
> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute.
> We ask CFSC
> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
> this topic. We
> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>
>
> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
> Priority: normal
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Send reply to:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action
> Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Dear QEAN Friends:
>
> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
> SIGs will
> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
> session 2009.
>
> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
> will find its way to
> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>
> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
> nuclear power, which
> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
> associated with
> fission based power.
>
> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
> SIG are:
> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
> Toronto, and
> b) a former physics teacher.
>
> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion
> and fission (the
> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>
> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations
> is to
> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
> issues around
> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
> authors - but they
> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>
> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
> about fusion
> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
> fission-based
> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>
> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!
>
> Adrian
> --
> Adrian Dolling
> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
> c: +1 250.885.5725
> e:
>
>
> ---
> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> Virus Database (VPS): 100314-1, 14/03/2010
> Tested on: 14/03/2010 7:54:47 PM
> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software.
> http://www.avast.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Adrian and David,

I was part of the discussion at the Vancouver Island Friends Gathering.
It seemed to me there was unity on the first minute but there certainly
was not unity on the second.

I'm not sure we need to enjoin Friends to be informed, but if we do I
prefer David's more inclusive wording, that we should be aware of all
the alternatives. I personally believe any reasonable comparison of
technologies will show that fusion power is very unlikely to arrive on
the scene in time to prevent catastrophic climate change.

Perhaps QEAN, as a network, should be looking closely at a
testimony-based review of the science behind an overall energy strategy,
perhaps using something like Sokolow's "Stabilization Wedges," see
http://cmi.princeton.edu/wedges/.

John



Adrian Dolling wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> I'm sure that broadening the sense of the second minute will be
> discussed elsewhere. Our consideration was very specific.
> The separate minute was created for two main reasons:
>
> a) to encourage Friends to differentiate between fusion-based and
> fission-based nuclear power; and
> b) to encourage a subsequent discussion on the (potentially) huge
> merits of fusion-based nuclear power.
>
> Adrian
>
> Date sent: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:48:55 -0600
> From: David Greenfield <>
> Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> To:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
> Action Network (QEAN)"
>
>
> Hi Adrian:
>
> I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
> fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to
> clarify that we are talking about nuclear fission.
>
> The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept
> separate from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead
> of your specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute
> worded something like this.
>
> "We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
> challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and
> to evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on
> Quaker values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and
> Earth Stewardship."
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Greenfield
>
> email
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Dolling"
> <>
> To: <>
> Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
> (QEAN)"
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
>
>
>
>> Dear Friends:
>>
>> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They
>> are going to our
>> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>>
>> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
>> propagating elsewhere.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
>> April 10, 2010
>> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>>
>> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
>> Service Committee
>> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
>> business meeting of
>> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for
>> transmission to Representative
>> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>>
>> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10,
>> 2010) we reviewed the
>> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
>> Canadian Friends
>> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>>
>> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
>> minute making it
>> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>>
>> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
>> contamination through
>> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear
>> accidents, the unsolved problem
>> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
>> reactor fuel for
>> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government
>> of Canada to phase
>> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
>> refining and export of
>> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of
>> Canadian fission-based
>> nuclear reactor technology."
>>
>> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves
>> about fusion-
>> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on
>> "fusion power." (see
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>>
>>
>> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>>
>> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the
>> Special Interest Group on
>> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised
>> minute as follows:
>> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,'
>> and the realities of a
>> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
>> consistent with Quaker
>> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires
>> that we move away
>> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable
>> energy systems such as
>> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical
>> that we reduce our energy
>> use through conservation.
>>
>> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and
>> seek ways to reduce
>> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from
>> renewable sources for our
>> Meeting Houses.
>>
>> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination
>> through mining, tritium
>> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the
>> unsolved problem of highly
>> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor
>> fuel for weapons. It is
>> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to
>> phase out the use of
>> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium,
>> the export of
>> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
>> technology.
>> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There
>> are Friends and
>> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this
>> minute. We ask CFSC
>> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian
>> Friends on this topic. We
>> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>>
>>
>> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
>> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
>> Priority: normal
>> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
>> Send reply to:
>> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
>> Action Network
>> \(QEAN\)"
>>
>> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>>
>> Dear QEAN Friends:
>>
>> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of
>> the SIGs will
>> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM
>> in session 2009.
>>
>> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting
>> which will find its way to
>> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>>
>> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
>> nuclear power, which
>> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle
>> issues associated with
>> fission based power.
>>
>> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading
>> this SIG are:
>> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U
>> of Toronto, and
>> b) a former physics teacher.
>>
>> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between
>> fusion and fission (the
>> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>>
>> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its
>> recommendations is to
>> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines
>> the issues around
>> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of
>> the authors - but they
>> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>>
>> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our
>> discernment about fusion
>> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal
>> from fission-based
>> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>>
>> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the
>> ready!
>>
>> Adrian
>> --
>> Adrian Dolling
>> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
>> c: +1 250.885.5725
>> e:
>>
>>
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>> Virus Database (VPS): 100314-1, 14/03/2010
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>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe.

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010) we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Adrian, this is good, and we can discuss it at MM next week. Arnold

-----Original Message-----
From: cym-qean-
[mailto:cym-qean-] On Behalf Of Adrian Dolling
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 6:49 PM
To: Arnold Ranneris
Cc: Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power

Dear Friends:

Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
going to our
Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.

Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if propagating
elsewhere.

Adrian

Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
April 10, 2010
Cowichan Lake Education Centre

Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends Service
Committee
Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the business
meeting of
Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
Representative
Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.

1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
we reviewed the
Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
Canadian Friends
Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.

We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed minute
making it
clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:

"The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
contamination through
mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
the unsolved problem
of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
reactor fuel for
weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
Canada to phase
out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining
and export of
uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
fission-based
nuclear reactor technology."

2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
fusion-
based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
power." (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )


And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:

71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
Interest Group on
the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
as follows:
Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
the realities of a
finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
consistent with Quaker
values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that we
move away
from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
systems such as
solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that we
reduce our energy
use through conservation.

We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek ways
to reduce
them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
sources for our
Meeting Houses.

The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
mining, tritium
releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
problem of highly
radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel for
weapons. It is
not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase out
the use of
nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
export of
fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor technology.
There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
Friends and
Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute. We
ask CFSC
and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
this topic. We
lay over this minute to CYM 2010.


From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
Priority: normal
Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
Send reply to:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
Action Network
\(QEAN\)"

To: Adrian Dolling <>

Dear QEAN Friends:

We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
SIGs will
consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
session 2009.

I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
will find its way to
Rep Meeting and CYM.

A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based nuclear
power, which
potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
associated with
fission based power.

Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
SIG are:
a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
Toronto, and
b) a former physics teacher.

Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion and
fission (the
physics, fuel cycle, potential).

Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations is
to
withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
issues around
fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
authors - but they
have not (yet) modified the recommendation.

Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
about fusion
power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
fission-based
nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).

With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!

Adrian
--
Adrian Dolling
1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
c: +1 250.885.5725
e:


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Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Adrian:

I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to clarify
that we are talking about nuclear fission.

The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept separate
from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead of your
specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute worded
something like this.

"We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and to
evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on Quaker
values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and Earth
Stewardship."

Regards

Dave Greenfield

email

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
To: <>
Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)"

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power


> Dear Friends:
>
> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
> going to our
> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>
> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
> propagating elsewhere.
>
> Adrian
>
> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
> April 10, 2010
> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>
> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
> Service Committee
> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
> business meeting of
> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
> Representative
> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>
> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
> we reviewed the
> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
> Canadian Friends
> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>
> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
> minute making it
> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>
> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
> contamination through
> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
> the unsolved problem
> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
> reactor fuel for
> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
> Canada to phase
> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
> refining and export of
> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
> fission-based
> nuclear reactor technology."
>
> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
> fusion-
> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
> power." (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>
>
> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>
> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
> Interest Group on
> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
> as follows:
> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
> the realities of a
> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
> consistent with Quaker
> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that
> we move away
> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
> systems such as
> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that
> we reduce our energy
> use through conservation.
>
> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek
> ways to reduce
> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
> sources for our
> Meeting Houses.
>
> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
> mining, tritium
> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
> problem of highly
> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel
> for weapons. It is
> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
> out the use of
> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
> export of
> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
> technology.
> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
> Friends and
> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute.
> We ask CFSC
> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
> this topic. We
> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>
>
> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
> Priority: normal
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Send reply to:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action
> Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Dear QEAN Friends:
>
> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
> SIGs will
> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
> session 2009.
>
> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
> will find its way to
> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>
> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
> nuclear power, which
> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
> associated with
> fission based power.
>
> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
> SIG are:
> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
> Toronto, and
> b) a former physics teacher.
>
> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion
> and fission (the
> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>
> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations
> is to
> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
> issues around
> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
> authors - but they
> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>
> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
> about fusion
> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
> fission-based
> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>
> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!
>
> Adrian
> --
> Adrian Dolling
> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
> c: +1 250.885.5725
> e:
>
>
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> Virus Database (VPS): 100314-1, 14/03/2010
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> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software.
> http://www.avast.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Dave,

I'm sure that broadening the sense of the second minute will be discussed elsewhere. Our
consideration was very specific.

The separate minute was created for two main reasons:

a) to encourage Friends to differentiate between fusion-based and fission-based nuclear
power; and
b) to encourage a subsequent discussion on the (potentially) huge merits of fusion-based
nuclear power.

Adrian

Date sent: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:48:55 -0600
From: David Greenfield <>
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
To:
Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
(QEAN)"


Hi Adrian:

I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to clarify
that we are talking about nuclear fission.

The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept separate
from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead of your
specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute worded
something like this.

"We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and to
evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on Quaker
values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and Earth
Stewardship."

Regards

Dave Greenfield

email

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
To: <>
Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network (QEAN)"

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power


> Dear Friends:
>
> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They are
> going to our
> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>
> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
> propagating elsewhere.
>
> Adrian
>
> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
> April 10, 2010
> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>
> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
> Service Committee
> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
> business meeting of
> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for transmission to
> Representative
> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>
> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10, 2010)
> we reviewed the
> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
> Canadian Friends
> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>
> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
> minute making it
> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>
> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
> contamination through
> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents,
> the unsolved problem
> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
> reactor fuel for
> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of
> Canada to phase
> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
> refining and export of
> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of Canadian
> fission-based
> nuclear reactor technology."
>
> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves about
> fusion-
> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on "fusion
> power." (see
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>
>
> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>
> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the Special
> Interest Group on
> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised minute
> as follows:
> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,' and
> the realities of a
> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
> consistent with Quaker
> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires that
> we move away
> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable energy
> systems such as
> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical that
> we reduce our energy
> use through conservation.
>
> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and seek
> ways to reduce
> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from renewable
> sources for our
> Meeting Houses.
>
> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination through
> mining, tritium
> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the unsolved
> problem of highly
> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor fuel
> for weapons. It is
> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to phase
> out the use of
> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium, the
> export of
> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
> technology.
> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There are
> Friends and
> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this minute.
> We ask CFSC
> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian Friends on
> this topic. We
> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>
>
> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
> Priority: normal
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Send reply to:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action
> Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Dear QEAN Friends:
>
> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of the
> SIGs will
> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM in
> session 2009.
>
> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting which
> will find its way to
> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>
> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
> nuclear power, which
> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle issues
> associated with
> fission based power.
>
> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading this
> SIG are:
> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U of
> Toronto, and
> b) a former physics teacher.
>
> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between fusion
> and fission (the
> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>
> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its recommendations
> is to
> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines the
> issues around
> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of the
> authors - but they
> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>
> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our discernment
> about fusion
> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal from
> fission-based
> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>
> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the ready!
>
> Adrian
> --
> Adrian Dolling
> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
> c: +1 250.885.5725
> e:
>
>
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> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Adrian and David,

I was part of the discussion at the Vancouver Island Friends Gathering.
It seemed to me there was unity on the first minute but there certainly
was not unity on the second.

I'm not sure we need to enjoin Friends to be informed, but if we do I
prefer David's more inclusive wording, that we should be aware of all
the alternatives. I personally believe any reasonable comparison of
technologies will show that fusion power is very unlikely to arrive on
the scene in time to prevent catastrophic climate change.

Perhaps QEAN, as a network, should be looking closely at a
testimony-based review of the science behind an overall energy strategy,
perhaps using something like Sokolow's "Stabilization Wedges," see
http://cmi.princeton.edu/wedges/.

John



Adrian Dolling wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> I'm sure that broadening the sense of the second minute will be
> discussed elsewhere. Our consideration was very specific.
> The separate minute was created for two main reasons:
>
> a) to encourage Friends to differentiate between fusion-based and
> fission-based nuclear power; and
> b) to encourage a subsequent discussion on the (potentially) huge
> merits of fusion-based nuclear power.
>
> Adrian
>
> Date sent: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:48:55 -0600
> From: David Greenfield <>
> Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> To:
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
> Action Network (QEAN)"
>
>
> Hi Adrian:
>
> I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
> fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to
> clarify that we are talking about nuclear fission.
>
> The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept
> separate from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead
> of your specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute
> worded something like this.
>
> "We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
> challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and
> to evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on
> Quaker values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and
> Earth Stewardship."
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Greenfield
>
> email
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Dolling"
> <>
> To: <>
> Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
> (QEAN)"
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
>
>
>
>> Dear Friends:
>>
>> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They
>> are going to our
>> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>>
>> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
>> propagating elsewhere.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
>> April 10, 2010
>> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>>
>> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
>> Service Committee
>> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
>> business meeting of
>> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for
>> transmission to Representative
>> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>>
>> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10,
>> 2010) we reviewed the
>> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
>> Canadian Friends
>> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>>
>> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
>> minute making it
>> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>>
>> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
>> contamination through
>> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear
>> accidents, the unsolved problem
>> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
>> reactor fuel for
>> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government
>> of Canada to phase
>> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
>> refining and export of
>> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of
>> Canadian fission-based
>> nuclear reactor technology."
>>
>> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves
>> about fusion-
>> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on
>> "fusion power." (see
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>>
>>
>> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>>
>> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the
>> Special Interest Group on
>> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised
>> minute as follows:
>> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,'
>> and the realities of a
>> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
>> consistent with Quaker
>> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires
>> that we move away
>> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable
>> energy systems such as
>> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical
>> that we reduce our energy
>> use through conservation.
>>
>> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and
>> seek ways to reduce
>> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from
>> renewable sources for our
>> Meeting Houses.
>>
>> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination
>> through mining, tritium
>> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the
>> unsolved problem of highly
>> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor
>> fuel for weapons. It is
>> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to
>> phase out the use of
>> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium,
>> the export of
>> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
>> technology.
>> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There
>> are Friends and
>> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this
>> minute. We ask CFSC
>> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian
>> Friends on this topic. We
>> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>>
>>
>> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
>> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
>> Priority: normal
>> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
>> Send reply to:
>> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
>> Action Network
>> \(QEAN\)"
>>
>> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>>
>> Dear QEAN Friends:
>>
>> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of
>> the SIGs will
>> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM
>> in session 2009.
>>
>> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting
>> which will find its way to
>> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>>
>> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
>> nuclear power, which
>> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle
>> issues associated with
>> fission based power.
>>
>> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading
>> this SIG are:
>> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U
>> of Toronto, and
>> b) a former physics teacher.
>>
>> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between
>> fusion and fission (the
>> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>>
>> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its
>> recommendations is to
>> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines
>> the issues around
>> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of
>> the authors - but they
>> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>>
>> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our
>> discernment about fusion
>> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal
>> from fission-based
>> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>>
>> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the
>> ready!
>>
>> Adrian
>> --
>> Adrian Dolling
>> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
>> c: +1 250.885.5725
>> e:
>>
>>
>> ---
>> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
>> Virus Database (VPS): 100314-1, 14/03/2010
>> Tested on: 14/03/2010 7:54:47 PM
>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software.
>> http://www.avast.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the CYM-QEAN mailing list. Go to http://lists.quaker.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/cym-qean to subscribe. Hi Adrian,

I was suggesting Sokolow's model, not the game.

I agree that there is much wanting in the Stabilization Wedges material
-- they are careful not to threaten economic interests, their reduction
targets are probably not adequate, they are too kind about nuclear and
capture, they pretty much ignore agriculture, etc.

However, I see great value in the "wedges" model because steers us away
from single "magic bullet" solutions to the climate crisis.
Alternatives become a matter of "yes-and" rather than "either-or." Each
alternative can be evaluated in terms of how much and how quickly it
will reduce net carbon emissions. Supplementary conditions such as
cost, consequences for human rights, biodiversity, peace, etc. can be
thrown into the mix.

The Wikipedia article on Fusion Power concludes that a practical system
is unlikely to be available before 2050. That's too late for me and
probably too late to play a significant role in avoiding catastrophic
climate change.

We have family visiting on Sunday, so unfortunately I won't be at MFB.
As you anticipate this going to CYM, I feel the QEAN list is an
appropriate place to consider and season this minute.

John



Adrian Dolling wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> There was no intentional lack of unity on the second minute - that was a clerking/facilitation
> oversight. My apologies. Let's see what is discerned at the business meeting on April 25.
>
> I do know that Jim and I are keen that Friends inform themselves on fusion - as that seems
> to be specifically where there is a lack of knowledge.
>
> I have no objection to an additional minute about other types of energy sourcing, or of
> lifestyle simplification. The Stabilization Wedges game may be just that... Many of the
> solutions are themselves not good - Carbon Capture & Storage and nuclear are two which
> feature prominently in several of the wedge options. I am very more sceptical than the IPCC
> on Carbon Capture & Storage technologies - see http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/special-
> reports/srccs/srccs_wholereport.pdf - which has an excellent summary for policymakers.
>
> Adrian
>
> Date sent: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 14:59:06 -0700
> From: John Scull <>
> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
> \(QEAN\)"
>
> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>
> Hi Adrian and David,
>
> I was part of the discussion at the Vancouver Island Friends Gathering.
> It seemed to me there was unity on the first minute but there certainly
> was not unity on the second.
>
> I'm not sure we need to enjoin Friends to be informed, but if we do I
> prefer David's more inclusive wording, that we should be aware of all
> the alternatives. I personally believe any reasonable comparison of
> technologies will show that fusion power is very unlikely to arrive on
> the scene in time to prevent catastrophic climate change.
>
> Perhaps QEAN, as a network, should be looking closely at a
> testimony-based review of the science behind an overall energy strategy,
> perhaps using something like Sokolow's "Stabilization Wedges," see
> http://cmi.princeton.edu/wedges/.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Adrian Dolling wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I'm sure that broadening the sense of the second minute will be
>> discussed elsewhere. Our consideration was very specific.
>> The separate minute was created for two main reasons:
>>
>> a) to encourage Friends to differentiate between fusion-based and
>> fission-based nuclear power; and
>> b) to encourage a subsequent discussion on the (potentially) huge
>> merits of fusion-based nuclear power.
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> Date sent: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:48:55 -0600
>> From: David Greenfield <>
>> Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
>> To:
>> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
>> Action Network (QEAN)"
>>
>>
>> Hi Adrian:
>>
>> I am certainly in agreement with the first minute, adding the words,
>> fission-based, a few times in the nuclear phase-out paragraph to
>> clarify that we are talking about nuclear fission.
>>
>> The second minute I am rather indifferent to, as long as it is kept
>> separate from the Peaceful Energy minute. I am wondering if, instead
>> of your specific second minute, you might be open to a broader minute
>> worded something like this.
>>
>> "We encourage Friends to inform themselves about the possibilities and
>> challenges of all renewable and proposed future sources of energy, and
>> to evaluate the appropriateness of any given energy source based on
>> Quaker values of peace, simplicity, Equality, Community, Integrity and
>> Earth Stewardship."
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dave Greenfield
>>
>> email
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Dolling"
>> <>
>> To: <>
>> Cc: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology Action Network
>> (QEAN)"
>> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Dear Friends:
>>>
>>> Here are the two minutes developed at our gathering on April 10. They
>>> are going to our
>>> Vancouver Island MM business meeting on April 25.
>>>
>>> Please contact me for a fully formatted version of the report if
>>> propagating elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> Island Gathering, Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting
>>> April 10, 2010
>>> Cowichan Lake Education Centre
>>>
>>> Two minutes from the Interest Group considering the Canadian Friends
>>> Service Committee
>>> Uranium Working Group report. We plan to take these minutes to the
>>> business meeting of
>>> Vancouver Island Monthly Meeting (April 25, 2010), and for
>>> transmission to Representative
>>> Meeting and Canadian Yearly Meeting.
>>>
>>> 1. At an interest group at the Vancouver Island Gathering (April 10,
>>> 2010) we reviewed the
>>> Canadian Yearly Meeting Minute on Peaceful Energy (attached) and the
>>> Canadian Friends
>>> Service Committee Uranium Working Group Report.
>>>
>>> We recommend modified wording in the third paragraph of the proposed
>>> minute making it
>>> clear that the minute applies to fission-based nuclear technology:
>>>
>>> "The dangers of fission-based nuclear energy include environmental
>>> contamination through
>>> mining, tritium releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear
>>> accidents, the unsolved problem
>>> of highly radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used
>>> reactor fuel for
>>> weapons. It is not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government
>>> of Canada to phase
>>> out the use of fission-based nuclear energy in Canada, the mining,
>>> refining and export of
>>> uranium, the export of fissionable material, and the export of
>>> Canadian fission-based
>>> nuclear reactor technology."
>>>
>>> 2. We recommend that Canadian Quakers consider informing themselves
>>> about fusion-
>>> based nuclear power, e.g. by reviewing the Wikipedia article on
>>> "fusion power." (see
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_power )
>>>
>>>
>>> And here is the Canadian Yearly Meeting 2009 minute:
>>>
>>> 71. Minute on Peaceful Energy: Marilyn Manzer reported from the
>>> Special Interest Group on
>>> the proposed Peaceful Energy minute. This group presented a revised
>>> minute as follows:
>>> Today, with the dual concerns of global warming and global 'warring,'
>>> and the realities of a
>>> finite planet, we are challenged to find energy pathways which are
>>> consistent with Quaker
>>> values of peace, community and equality. The climate crisis requires
>>> that we move away
>>> from reliance on fossil fuels for energy and move toward renewable
>>> energy systems such as
>>> solar, wind, geothermal and ecologically sound hydro. It is critical
>>> that we reduce our energy
>>> use through conservation.
>>>
>>> We ask Canadian Friends to examine their ecological footprints and
>>> seek ways to reduce
>>> them. We ask Monthly Meetings to seek ways to buy power from
>>> renewable sources for our
>>> Meeting Houses.
>>>
>>> The dangers of nuclear energy include environmental contamination
>>> through mining, tritium
>>> releases in reactor operation, risk of nuclear accidents, the
>>> unsolved problem of highly
>>> radioactive nuclear wastes, and the use of uranium and used reactor
>>> fuel for weapons. It is
>>> not peaceful energy. Therefore, we ask the Government of Canada to
>>> phase out the use of
>>> nuclear energy in Canada, the mining, refining and export of uranium,
>>> the export of
>>> fissionable material, and the export of Canadian nuclear reactor
>>> technology.
>>> There was much support for this draft of the proposed minute. There
>>> are Friends and
>>> Monthly Meetings who are not in agreement with some parts of this
>>> minute. We ask CFSC
>>> and the Uranium Working Group to consult further with Canadian
>>> Friends on this topic. We
>>> lay over this minute to CYM 2010.
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Adrian Dolling" <>
>>> Date sent: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:54:40 -0700
>>> Priority: normal
>>> Subject: [CYM-QEAN] Nuclear Power
>>> Send reply to:
>>> Copies to: "Discussion list for the Canadian Quaker Ecology
>>> Action Network
>>> \(QEAN\)"
>>>
>>> To: Adrian Dolling <>
>>>
>>> Dear QEAN Friends:
>>>
>>> We are have a gathering here on Vancouver Island on April 10. One of
>>> the SIGs will
>>> consider the CFSC Uranium Working Group report, as requested by CYM
>>> in session 2009.
>>>
>>> I anticipate it will make a recommendation to our business meeting
>>> which will find its way to
>>> Rep Meeting and CYM.
>>>
>>> A possibility which we intend to explore is the use of fusion based
>>> nuclear power, which
>>> potentially has many efficiencies, and may not have the fuel cycle
>>> issues associated with
>>> fission based power.
>>>
>>> Before anyone reaches for the flaming devices - the two of us leading
>>> this SIG are:
>>> a) a retired high energy physics researcher and professor from the U
>>> of Toronto, and
>>> b) a former physics teacher.
>>>
>>> Our intent is to educate local friends of the distinction between
>>> fusion and fission (the
>>> physics, fuel cycle, potential).
>>>
>>> Then we intend to examine the CFSC UWG report. One of its
>>> recommendations is to
>>> withdraw from (ban) all nuclear power. But the report only examines
>>> the issues around
>>> fission based power. This has previously been pointed out to some of
>>> the authors - but they
>>> have not (yet) modified the recommendation.
>>>
>>> Can QEAN-friends offer information materials that may help our
>>> discernment about fusion
>>> power? (note: we have plenty of information - and support withdrawal
>>> from fission-based
>>> nuclear power - so are not seeking materials on that).
>>>
>>> With anticipation and thanks, and full fire protection gear at the
>>> ready!
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>> --
>>> Adrian Dolling
>>> 1331 Vimy Pl, Victoria, BC V8S 1C5, Canada
>>> c: +1 250.885.5725
>>> e:
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
>>> Virus Database (VPS): 100314-1, 14/03/2010
>>> Tested on: 14/03/2010 7:54:47 PM
>>> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software.
>>> http://www.avast.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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