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  #1  
20-07-2012 07:05 PM
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Bug #: 38528
Summary: Move "templates used on this page" from MediaWiki's
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Product: MediaWiki
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Status: NEW
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The "templates used on this page" list should be moved from ?action=edit, where
it currently sits (far) below the edit form, to ?action=info, where it's much
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Bug #: 38528
Summary: Move "templates used on this page" from MediaWiki's
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Product: MediaWiki
Version: unspecified
Platform: All
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Status: NEW
Severity: normal
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The "templates used on this page" list should be moved from ?action=edit, where
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MZMcBride <> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Keywords| |easy
Blocks| |38450

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22-07-2012 03:43 AM
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Bug #: 38528
Summary: Move "templates used on this page" from MediaWiki's
edit action to the info action
Product: MediaWiki
Version: unspecified
Platform: All
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Status: NEW
Severity: normal
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The "templates used on this page" list should be moved from ?action=edit, where
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Keywords| |easy
Blocks| |38450

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--- Comment #1 from MZMcBride <> 2012-07-22 02:43:32 UTC ---
This list can be incredibly long for particular titles (154 entries for
"Talk:Barack Obama" at the English Wikipedia). The question becomes: does this
list need to be paginated? If so, it should be moved to a separate Special page
(similar to, but distinct from, Special:WhatLinksHere). If the results don't
need to be paginated, the list is fine where it is, though it probably needs to
be collapsed or something. It's simply overwhelming to the user.

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22-07-2012 04:07 AM
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Bug #: 38528
Summary: Move "templates used on this page" from MediaWiki's
edit action to the info action
Product: MediaWiki
Version: unspecified
Platform: All
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Unprioritized
Component: General/Unknown
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The "templates used on this page" list should be moved from ?action=edit, where
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MZMcBride <> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Keywords| |easy
Blocks| |38450

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--- Comment #1 from MZMcBride <> 2012-07-22 02:43:32 UTC ---
This list can be incredibly long for particular titles (154 entries for
"Talk:Barack Obama" at the English Wikipedia). The question becomes: does this
list need to be paginated? If so, it should be moved to a separate Special page
(similar to, but distinct from, Special:WhatLinksHere). If the results don't
need to be paginated, the list is fine where it is, though it probably needs to
be collapsed or something. It's simply overwhelming to the user.

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Danny B. <> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Danny B. <> 2012-07-22 03:07:08 UTC ---
This list actually should stay intact on edit page, because it gives lots of
useful hints to user when editing. The simpliest usecase for instance: when
replacing some template, some can be missed, thus preview will notify, that it
is still present. OTOH, it may be collapsible or displayed per user preference
though.

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23-07-2012 03:00 AM
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Bug #: 38528
Summary: Move "templates used on this page" from MediaWiki's
edit action to the info action
Product: MediaWiki
Version: unspecified
Platform: All
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Unprioritized
Component: General/Unknown
AssignedTo: wikibugs-
ReportedBy:
Classification: Unclassified
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The "templates used on this page" list should be moved from ?action=edit, where
it currently sits (far) below the edit form, to ?action=info, where it's much
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MZMcBride <> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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Keywords| |easy
Blocks| |38450

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--- Comment #1 from MZMcBride <> 2012-07-22 02:43:32 UTC ---
This list can be incredibly long for particular titles (154 entries for
"Talk:Barack Obama" at the English Wikipedia). The question becomes: does this
list need to be paginated? If so, it should be moved to a separate Special page
(similar to, but distinct from, Special:WhatLinksHere). If the results don't
need to be paginated, the list is fine where it is, though it probably needs to
be collapsed or something. It's simply overwhelming to the user.

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Danny B. <> changed:

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--- Comment #2 from Danny B. <> 2012-07-22 03:07:08 UTC ---
This list actually should stay intact on edit page, because it gives lots of
useful hints to user when editing. The simpliest usecase for instance: when
replacing some template, some can be missed, thus preview will notify, that it
is still present. OTOH, it may be collapsible or displayed per user preference
though.

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--- Comment #3 from Richard Guk <> 2012-07-23 02:00:30 UTC ---
I predict a riot if this were removed from edit pages without a prominent means
for editors to reinstate it! Collapsing very long template lists would be less
controversial.

On a separate point: With enwiki at present, all current templates are always
listed for a fullpage edit (even without a preview). For a section edit, the
templates are only listed if the section is previewed, but the listed templates
comprise only those in the edited section, which is usually more helpful than
looking at the list for the entire page.

Presumably it would not be worthwhile supporting section-level information,
such as ?action=info§ion=1. So ?action=info would not provide all the
information obtainable at ?action=edit§ion={secnum}.

Therefore, providing information at ?action=info should not be at the expense
of existing information at ?action=edit.

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23-07-2012 03:34 AM
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Bug #: 38528
Summary: Move "templates used on this page" from MediaWiki's
edit action to the info action
Product: MediaWiki
Version: unspecified
Platform: All
OS/Version: All
Status: NEW
Severity: normal
Priority: Unprioritized
Component: General/Unknown
AssignedTo: wikibugs-
ReportedBy:
Classification: Unclassified
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The "templates used on this page" list should be moved from ?action=edit, where
it currently sits (far) below the edit form, to ?action=info, where it's much
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MZMcBride <> changed:

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Keywords| |easy
Blocks| |38450

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--- Comment #1 from MZMcBride <> 2012-07-22 02:43:32 UTC ---
This list can be incredibly long for particular titles (154 entries for
"Talk:Barack Obama" at the English Wikipedia). The question becomes: does this
list need to be paginated? If so, it should be moved to a separate Special page
(similar to, but distinct from, Special:WhatLinksHere). If the results don't
need to be paginated, the list is fine where it is, though it probably needs to
be collapsed or something. It's simply overwhelming to the user.

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Danny B. <> changed:

What |Removed |Added
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--- Comment #2 from Danny B. <> 2012-07-22 03:07:08 UTC ---
This list actually should stay intact on edit page, because it gives lots of
useful hints to user when editing. The simpliest usecase for instance: when
replacing some template, some can be missed, thus preview will notify, that it
is still present. OTOH, it may be collapsible or displayed per user preference
though.

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Richard Guk <> changed:

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--- Comment #3 from Richard Guk <> 2012-07-23 02:00:30 UTC ---
I predict a riot if this were removed from edit pages without a prominent means
for editors to reinstate it! Collapsing very long template lists would be less
controversial.

On a separate point: With enwiki at present, all current templates are always
listed for a fullpage edit (even without a preview). For a section edit, the
templates are only listed if the section is previewed, but the listed templates
comprise only those in the edited section, which is usually more helpful than
looking at the list for the entire page.

Presumably it would not be worthwhile supporting section-level information,
such as ?action=info§ion=1. So ?action=info would not provide all the
information obtainable at ?action=edit§ion={secnum}.

Therefore, providing information at ?action=info should not be at the expense
of existing information at ?action=edit.

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--- Comment #4 from Krenair <> 2012-07-23 02:34:37 UTC ---
I think it's a really, really bad idea to suddenly remove this from the edit
page.

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