My nephew's ID is obnoxiousaudio, one word. I think that's what you're
looking for, isn't it? if not, perhaps you can search by his last name,
Porovich.
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1. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (marc flake)
2. Combrig Australia (Mike Vice)
3. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (Diego Fernetti)
4. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (marc flake)
5. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report ()
6. Re: ebay Listings (Fred Hultberg)
7. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (Diego Fernetti)
8. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (Bob Pearson)
9. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (Shane Weier)
10. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton)
11. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (Bob Pearson)
12. Re: Combrig Australia Progress report (marc flake)
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:11:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: marc flake <>
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D:
?
For this project I am using Shipcraft Books "Grand Fleet Battlecruisers,"
which has several pictures of a large scale "builder's model" of HMAS
Australia.
http://www.amazon.com/Shipcraft-Special-Grand-Fleet-Battlecruisers/dp/184832
104X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340035622&sr=8-1&keywords=Grand+Fleet+Battlecru
isers
?
Also, I'm using Clydebank Battlecruisers, which has several photos of the
real thing being built.
?
http://www.amazon.com/Clydebank-Battlecruisers-Forgotten-Photographs-Shipyar
d/dp/1591141206/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340035707&sr=8-1&keywords=Clydebank+
Battlecruisers
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Both sources have been indispensible because the Combrig instructions are
very basic.? Each mast assembly is an exploded view and the rest of the ship
assembly is one exploded view.
?
Marc
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I thought about soldering some parts once, but I figured the
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:17:48 -0300
From: "Diego Fernetti" <>
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Subject: Re: [WWI] Combrig Australia Progress report
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Marc!
Always wondered about the ships of the era (guess I widen my interests
beyond the manageable) and only got -by mere chance- a WW1 era book about
the fleets of many countries in... Italian! As you may imagine, reading that
was quite a chore and little I've been able to know.
D.
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From: marc flake
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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [WWI] Combrig Australia Progress report
D:
For this project I am using Shipcraft Books "Grand Fleet
Battlecruisers," which has several pictures of a large scale "builder's
model" of HMAS Australia.
http://www.amazon.com/Shipcraft-Special-Grand-Fleet-Battlecruisers/dp/184832
104X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340035622&sr=8-1&keywords=Grand+Fleet+Battlecru
isers
Also, I'm using Clydebank Battlecruisers, which has several photos
of the real thing being built.
http://www.amazon.com/Clydebank-Battlecruisers-Forgotten-Photographs-Shipyar
d/dp/1591141206/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1340035707&sr=8-1&keywords=Clydebank+
Battlecruisers
Both sources have been indispensible because the Combrig
instructions are very basic. Each mast assembly is an exploded view and the
rest of the ship assembly is one exploded view.
Marc
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 11:43:44 -0700 (PDT)
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D:
?
If you are more interested in design characteristics and naval architecture,
I would recommend the following two books for WW One era ships:
?
http://www.amazon.com/Conways-Worlds-Fighting-Ships-1860-1905/dp/0831703024/
ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1340044124&sr=8-4&keywords=conway%27s+all+the+world%2
7s+fighting+ships
?
http://www.amazon.com/Conways-All-Worlds-Fighting-Ships/dp/0870219073/ref=sr
_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1340044681&sr=8-3&keywords=conway%27s+all+the+world%27s+fig
hting+ships
?
They are pricey because they are out of print, but you may be able to get
them through an interlibrary loan.
?
?
If you are intested in politics and how the navies and ships of the world in
that era affected history, I would recommend these two books:
?
http://www.amazon.com/Dreadnought-Robert-K-Massie/dp/0345375564/ref=sr_1_1?s
=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340044770&sr=1-1&keywords=dreadnought
?
http://www.amazon.com/Castles-Steel-Britain-Germany-Winning/dp/0345408780/re
f=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
?
I'll glance at my home librar when I get home tonight to see if I can make
any other recommendations.
?
Marc
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:50:25 -0400 (EDT)
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At Electronics stores like Radio Shack here in the United States you can buy
heat sinks, they are metal clips you attach to what you are soldering and it
stops the heat from reaching already soldered spot/S near by.
T.O.M.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:
Marc!
Nice job so far... Where do you get trusty references for your models?
Is there anything like Albatros Ltd. but for ship modelling?
BTW I'd also reccomend you to try something else but CA glue to the masts.
To soft solder them in one spot and not spoil the rest of the soldering, I
was told once to use "heat traps" near the work area, these being simply a
tied lenght of cotton thread soaked in water. This keeps the heat in the
spot you want to solder and below melting temps in the rest of the piece.
You can also replace the cotton thread with a strip of soaked tissue paper.
I never got the hang of soldering myself (silver soldering would be so
useful for some things I want to do!) but I got good, strong assemblies of
wires using not CA glue, but epoxi glues, suitably thinned with acetone
(lately non-acetone nail enamel remover) to avoid making a mess with a glue
too thick.
HTH
D.
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From: marc flake
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:38 PM
Subject: [WWI] Combrig Australia Progress report
After sanding the platforms and other main parts out of the resin wafer, I
began assembling the model. I fixed the fore, midships and aft
superstructres with white glue. That allows me more time to position the
parts accurately. Next I stacked the platforms atop the fore
superstructure, using white glue where the joins won't be stressed and CA
where they would be. Meanwhile, I used modeling clay to position the fore
and main masts. The masts will be taking some tension during rigging so I
used CA -- the gell type that dries slower. After that, I attached the fore
masts platforms to the vertical leg of the mast -- however, I did not attach
the platforms to the top of the fore superstructure. That's because 1) I
need to paint the deck under the platforms and 2) Combrig packed the wrong
fore funnel (Freetime Hobbies is obtaining a replacement). Finally, I
assembled the brass topmasts using the templates on the instructions. I lay
them out on the tops of medicine bottles because CA does not stick to that
type of plastic. That's it for now.
Marc Flake
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:48:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Mike, can you tell us the seller's ebay ID, or even one of his?ebay listing
numbers - we can search by that...
?
T I A
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Fred Hultberg(resident etching wizard, Fotocut)
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:57:51 -0300
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Marc!
> If you are more interested in design characteristics and naval
> architecture, I would recommend the following two books for WW One
> era ships:
Are these much like "Jane's all the world's Aircraft" type of book? I got
sidetracked (very often) from knowing more about Napoleonic era sail
warships, and how they evolved to steam power... and then must found out
what happened.
> If you are intested in politics and how the navies and ships of the
> world in that era affected history, I would recommend these two books:
> ?
> http://www.amazon.com/Dreadnought-Robert-K-Massie/dp/0345375564/ref=sr
> _1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340044770&sr=1-1&keywords=dreadnought
Been reccomended books by Massie before, especially this "Dreadnought"...
another one for my wish list!
D.
nr: tales of Canterbury, in modern English by someone named Coghill or cough
hitch.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 17:49:01 -0700
From: "Bob Pearson" <>
To: "World War I Modeling Mailing List" <>
Subject: Re: [WWI] Combrig Australia Progress report
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A great book on WWI naval activity is
Warships of World War I
Bernard Fitzsimons (editor)
Phoebus, London 1973
ISBN 0-7026-0004-0
This is akin to the voulme "Warplane and Airbattles of WWI" that I have
recommended time and time again as the second best WWI aviation overview
(the best is now the book by Jack Herris and myself).
Another WWI naval volume I would recommend is
British Battleships of WWI
R A Burt
Arms and Armour Press 1986
ISBN 0-87021-863-8
Bob
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From: "Diego Fernetti" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WWI] Combrig Australia Progress report
> Marc!
>> If you are more interested in design characteristics and naval
>> architecture, I would recommend the following two books for WW One era
>> ships:
>
> Are these much like "Jane's all the world's Aircraft" type of book? I got
> sidetracked (very often) from knowing more about Napoleonic era sail
> warships, and how they evolved to steam power... and then must found out
> what happened.
>
>> If you are intested in politics and how the navies and ships of the
>> world in that era affected history, I would recommend these two books:
>>
>>
http://www.amazon.com/Dreadnought-Robert-K-Massie/dp/0345375564/ref=sr_1_1?s
=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340044770&sr=1-1&keywords=dreadnought
>
> Been reccomended books by Massie before, especially this "Dreadnought"...
> another one for my wish list!
> D.
> nr: tales of Canterbury, in modern English by someone named Coghill or
> cough hitch.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:34:56 +1000
From: Shane Weier <>
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Subject: Re: [WWI] Combrig Australia Progress report
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Marc says > I tried soldering the yard arms to the masts on one kit a
couple of years back. >I just couldn't get the hang of the technique. I
cheat. My business was once electronics, and high reliability soldering was
an essential skill. > Also, I had a problem creating a jig that would allow
me to solder *only* the the mast and > yardarm and nothing beneath them. I
use four ceramic tiles places with acruciform gap between them, and pieces
of blutac to hold the mast and yard in place. I use "crocodile clips" as
heat sinks, or cross locking tweezers, depending on which I can most easily
find on the midden formerly known as modelling bench. As for using glue -
it works well enough but I'm almost guaranteed to forget and bash something
with my elbow at some point :-( At least the soldered parts tend to bend
and I can bend them back to "good enough" Shane---- - --- ....- ---.. .-.
..- .-.. . ... .-.-.-
My Strine is a Toad in Disguise
Quidvis recte factum,
quamvis humile, praeclarum
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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:54:41 +1200
From: Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <>
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> Another WWI naval volume I would recommend is
>
> British Battleships of WWI
> R A Burt
> Arms and Armour Press 1986
> ISBN 0-87021-863-8
And if you sit tight there is a new edition coming fairly soon from
Seaforth/Naval Institue Press which will be an awful lot cheaper than
the truly silly money being asked in the second hand market
Aidrian
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:32:13 -0700
From: "Bob Pearson" <>
To: "World War I Modeling Mailing List" <>
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Aw. .. I was looking forward to getting $800 for a book I paid $45 for 26
years ago brand new
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton" <>
To: "World War I Modeling Mailing List" <>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WWI] Combrig Australia Progress report
>> Another WWI naval volume I would recommend is
>>
>> British Battleships of WWI
>> R A Burt
>> Arms and Armour Press 1986
>> ISBN 0-87021-863-8
>
> And if you sit tight there is a new edition coming fairly soon from
> Seaforth/Naval Institue Press which will be an awful lot cheaper than
> the truly silly money being asked in the second hand market
>
> Aidrian
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 20:35:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: marc flake <>
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D:
?
I have the Jane's "Fighting Ships of World War I" too and I think the Conway
volumes are much more detailed.? The profile drawings are better as well.
?
Personally, I liked "Castles of Steel" better than "Dreadnought."? "Castles"
gets into the actual fighting.? Stirring stuff.
?
There are some "in-action" (not Squadron, but similar in layout) type books
like the Windsock Datafiles.? But they are mostly about WW II warships.?
There are a few which detail ships that were built for WW I, but most of the
book is about what the ship looked like and did during the second
unpleasantness.? They are also about US ships.
?
Marc
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