I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc


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)

I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>


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)

I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc


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)
Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc


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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>


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)

> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Developers mailing list
>>>
>>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>

I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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)
Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc


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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc


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)
One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Developers mailing list
>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>


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)

> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Developers mailing list
>>>
>>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>>
>
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>



On 5/13/12 12:52, Billy Tiemann wrote:
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

--
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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>
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>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
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>


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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>>
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>
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>



On 5/13/12 12:52, Billy Tiemann wrote:
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

--
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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Developers mailing list
>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
>


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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Developers mailing list
>>>
>>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
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>>
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On 5/13/12 12:52, Billy Tiemann wrote:
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
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>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>>
>>
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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




--
J. Eric Townsend
design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8

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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
>
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)

> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>
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On 5/13/12 12:52, Billy Tiemann wrote:
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



--
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design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> http://arduino.cc/mailman/listinfo/developers_arduino.cc
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>

I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>
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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>
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On 5/13/12 12:52, Billy Tiemann wrote:
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

--
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design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



--
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design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>>
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This isn't actually correct; Xcode is free from the App Store. There is nothing that prevents you from downloading it and building whatever you want, nor distributing the results of your development in any fashion you see fit.

Similarly, there are plenty of development tools available from other sources that allow you to build and distribute software for the Mac at zero cost.

If you want to use Apple's hosting and e-commerce platform (the App Store) to sell and distribute your software, or you want to opt into the Gatekeeper program so that your users can trust that what they've downloaded probably came from you, then yes, there are extra costs involved. Given that building, hosting and maintaining those platforms in turn costs money, this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

If you feel that Gatekeeper is pressuring you to sign up for a developer account and that this is unfair, I encourage you to attempt to solve the same set of problems in a different fashion, preferably a decade or so ago when it started being relevant.

= Mike

On May 15, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.
>
> Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their bribe service fee.
>
> Apple has this for iOS...
>
> iOS Developer University Program
> Free
> For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development into their curriculum.
>
> But nothing comparable for the Mac.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>>
>>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well ...
>>>>>
>>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>>
>>>>> /d
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>>>
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this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
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Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
>>>>>
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This isn't actually correct; Xcode is free from the App Store. There is nothing that prevents you from downloading it and building whatever you want, nor distributing the results of your development in any fashion you see fit.

Similarly, there are plenty of development tools available from other sources that allow you to build and distribute software for the Mac at zero cost.

If you want to use Apple's hosting and e-commerce platform (the App Store) to sell and distribute your software, or you want to opt into the Gatekeeper program so that your users can trust that what they've downloaded probably came from you, then yes, there are extra costs involved. Given that building, hosting and maintaining those platforms in turn costs money, this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

If you feel that Gatekeeper is pressuring you to sign up for a developer account and that this is unfair, I encourage you to attempt to solve the same set of problems in a different fashion, preferably a decade or so ago when it started being relevant.

= Mike

On May 15, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.
>
> Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their bribe service fee.
>
> Apple has this for iOS...
>
> iOS Developer University Program
> Free
> For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development into their curriculum.
>
> But nothing comparable for the Mac.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>>
>>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well ...
>>>>>
>>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>>
>>>>> /d
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.

This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.

Thank you,
J.C. Woltz
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as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
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> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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This isn't actually correct; Xcode is free from the App Store. There is nothing that prevents you from downloading it and building whatever you want, nor distributing the results of your development in any fashion you see fit.

Similarly, there are plenty of development tools available from other sources that allow you to build and distribute software for the Mac at zero cost.

If you want to use Apple's hosting and e-commerce platform (the App Store) to sell and distribute your software, or you want to opt into the Gatekeeper program so that your users can trust that what they've downloaded probably came from you, then yes, there are extra costs involved. Given that building, hosting and maintaining those platforms in turn costs money, this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

If you feel that Gatekeeper is pressuring you to sign up for a developer account and that this is unfair, I encourage you to attempt to solve the same set of problems in a different fashion, preferably a decade or so ago when it started being relevant.

= Mike

On May 15, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.
>
> Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their bribe service fee.
>
> Apple has this for iOS...
>
> iOS Developer University Program
> Free
> For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development into their curriculum.
>
> But nothing comparable for the Mac.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>>
>>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well ...
>>>>>
>>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>>
>>>>> /d
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.

This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.

Thank you,
J.C. Woltz
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we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)

thanks!

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> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
________________________________________
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Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
> J. Eric Townsend
> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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This isn't actually correct; Xcode is free from the App Store. There is nothing that prevents you from downloading it and building whatever you want, nor distributing the results of your development in any fashion you see fit.

Similarly, there are plenty of development tools available from other sources that allow you to build and distribute software for the Mac at zero cost.

If you want to use Apple's hosting and e-commerce platform (the App Store) to sell and distribute your software, or you want to opt into the Gatekeeper program so that your users can trust that what they've downloaded probably came from you, then yes, there are extra costs involved. Given that building, hosting and maintaining those platforms in turn costs money, this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

If you feel that Gatekeeper is pressuring you to sign up for a developer account and that this is unfair, I encourage you to attempt to solve the same set of problems in a different fashion, preferably a decade or so ago when it started being relevant.

= Mike

On May 15, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.
>
> Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their bribe service fee.
>
> Apple has this for iOS...
>
> iOS Developer University Program
> Free
> For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development into their curriculum.
>
> But nothing comparable for the Mac.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>>
>>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well ...
>>>>>
>>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>>
>>>>> /d
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.

This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.

Thank you,
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we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)

thanks!

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> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
> J.C. Woltz
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Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.

David

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi <> wrote:
> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>
> thanks!
>
> m
>
> --
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>
> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>
> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
> the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
> J.C. Woltz
> Sent from mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
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Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
Para: j.eric townsend
CC: Arduino Developers
Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
> --
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> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> J. Eric Townsend
>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
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This isn't actually correct; Xcode is free from the App Store. There is nothing that prevents you from downloading it and building whatever you want, nor distributing the results of your development in any fashion you see fit.

Similarly, there are plenty of development tools available from other sources that allow you to build and distribute software for the Mac at zero cost.

If you want to use Apple's hosting and e-commerce platform (the App Store) to sell and distribute your software, or you want to opt into the Gatekeeper program so that your users can trust that what they've downloaded probably came from you, then yes, there are extra costs involved. Given that building, hosting and maintaining those platforms in turn costs money, this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

If you feel that Gatekeeper is pressuring you to sign up for a developer account and that this is unfair, I encourage you to attempt to solve the same set of problems in a different fashion, preferably a decade or so ago when it started being relevant.

= Mike

On May 15, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.
>
> Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their bribe service fee.
>
> Apple has this for iOS...
>
> iOS Developer University Program
> Free
> For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development into their curriculum.
>
> But nothing comparable for the Mac.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>>
>>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well ...
>>>>>
>>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>>
>>>>> /d
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> J. Eric Townsend
>>>>>> design: www.allartburns.org; hacking: www.flatline.net; HF: KG6ZVQ
>>>>>> PGP: 0xD0D8C2E8 AC9B 0A23 C61A 1B4A 27C5 F799 A681 3C11 D0D8 C2E8
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I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.

This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.

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we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)

thanks!

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> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
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Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.

David

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi <> wrote:
> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>
> thanks!
>
> m
>
> --
> Massimo Banzi <>
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>
> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>
> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
> the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
> J.C. Woltz
> Sent from mobile device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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And a quick comparison to 10.6, I remembered I need to have

defaults write com.apple.CrashReporter DialogType none

as a rule in my makefile to get rid of crash reports when a binary fails.

I don't need this for Arduino because I'm not running the binaries I
compile on the Mac, just on the Arduino.

So maybe Gatekeeper just needs to allow a signed Arduino binary (costs
$100, requires Apple Store approval) and we can ignore the compiled
programs?

On 5/16/12 11:21, David A. Mellis wrote:
> Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
> GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
> reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
> sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
> binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.
>
> David
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi<> wrote:
>> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> m
>>
>> --
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>>
>> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>>
>> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
>> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
>> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>>
>> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
>> the paywall.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> J.C. Woltz
>> Sent from mobile device.
>>
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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
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Para: j.eric townsend
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Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8

Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
>
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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This isn't actually correct; Xcode is free from the App Store. There is nothing that prevents you from downloading it and building whatever you want, nor distributing the results of your development in any fashion you see fit.

Similarly, there are plenty of development tools available from other sources that allow you to build and distribute software for the Mac at zero cost.

If you want to use Apple's hosting and e-commerce platform (the App Store) to sell and distribute your software, or you want to opt into the Gatekeeper program so that your users can trust that what they've downloaded probably came from you, then yes, there are extra costs involved. Given that building, hosting and maintaining those platforms in turn costs money, this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

If you feel that Gatekeeper is pressuring you to sign up for a developer account and that this is unfair, I encourage you to attempt to solve the same set of problems in a different fashion, preferably a decade or so ago when it started being relevant.

= Mike

On May 15, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.
>
> Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their bribe service fee.
>
> Apple has this for iOS...
>
> iOS Developer University Program
> Free
> For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development into their curriculum.
>
> But nothing comparable for the Mac.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>>
>>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well ...
>>>>>
>>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>>
>>>>> /d
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.

This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.

Thank you,
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we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)

thanks!

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> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
> J.C. Woltz
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Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.

David

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi <> wrote:
> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>
> thanks!
>
> m
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> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>
> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
> the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
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And a quick comparison to 10.6, I remembered I need to have

defaults write com.apple.CrashReporter DialogType none

as a rule in my makefile to get rid of crash reports when a binary fails.

I don't need this for Arduino because I'm not running the binaries I
compile on the Mac, just on the Arduino.

So maybe Gatekeeper just needs to allow a signed Arduino binary (costs
$100, requires Apple Store approval) and we can ignore the compiled
programs?

On 5/16/12 11:21, David A. Mellis wrote:
> Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
> GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
> reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
> sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
> binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.
>
> David
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi<> wrote:
>> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> m
>>
>> --
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>>
>> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>>
>> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
>> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
>> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>>
>> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
>> the paywall.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> J.C. Woltz
>> Sent from mobile device.
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On 17 May 2012 08:50, j. eric townsend <> wrote:
> On 5/16/12 11:21, David A. Mellis wrote:
>> sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
>> binary, though.  Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.
>
> So maybe Gatekeeper just needs to allow a signed Arduino binary (costs $100,
> requires Apple Store approval) and we can ignore the compiled programs?
If I understand your question correctly, I think the answer is that
I'm assuming that David meant the included pre-compiled binaries such
as avr-gcc, not the binary output from the Arduino IDE.

I would guess that if the pre-compiled binaries are included as part
of the Arduino IDE then a signing of "Arduino binary" would include
the pre-compiled binaries being signed (or at least tracked) in the
process.

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I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover
this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in
OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures
as well?




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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
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Well ...

wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?

/d
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Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.

Billy

On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:

> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>
>
>
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One person will have topay the $99, but then you must follow the app store rules (see the growl re-write for example), whatever they entail.. for example, I don't believe that Java apps are allowed for example, you must be a proper Cocoa app I believe.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 2:29 PM, David Cuartielles wrote:

> Well ...
>
> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>
> /d
> ________________________________________
> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
> Para: j.eric townsend
> CC: Arduino Developers
> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>
> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>
> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>
> Billy
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>
>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> One person will have topay the $99,

Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple
developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't
know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a
code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.

- Brian


>> Well ...
>>
>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>
>> /d
>> ________________________________________
>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>> Para: j.eric townsend
>> CC: Arduino Developers
>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>
>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>
>> Billy
>>
>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>
>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.

Probably optional, on by default, and it would be nice if one of us have
a dev license so we could test the build.

Maybe we do and it's not an issue.

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Sorry, I should have posted why this can be a problem.

If you're working in a school / lab with managed OSX boxes you might
have to deal with self-installs of Arduino (or Processing or anything
else not supported by the school). If they won't give you Admin privs
you can have problems with apps that require approval or that want to
live outside your home directory.

We managed to use Arduino and Processing from temporary mounts or home
directories a few years ago, but all systems were wiped and reinstalled
every night. Next time I'm over I'll find out how they handle it currently.



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They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.

Billy

On May 14, 2012, at 10:07 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> One person will have topay the $99,
>
> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>> Well ...
>>>
>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>
>>> /d
>>> ________________________________________
>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>
>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>
>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>
>>> Billy
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people
> to be on the account.

Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing
machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand
for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for
Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their
bribe service fee.

Apple has this for iOS...

iOS Developer University Program
Free
For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development
into their curriculum.

But nothing comparable for the Mac.

- Brian


>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>
>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as
>> Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I
>> don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we
>> have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>>> Well ...
>>>>
>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>
>>>> /d
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>
>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>
>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>
>>>> Billy
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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This isn't actually correct; Xcode is free from the App Store. There is nothing that prevents you from downloading it and building whatever you want, nor distributing the results of your development in any fashion you see fit.

Similarly, there are plenty of development tools available from other sources that allow you to build and distribute software for the Mac at zero cost.

If you want to use Apple's hosting and e-commerce platform (the App Store) to sell and distribute your software, or you want to opt into the Gatekeeper program so that your users can trust that what they've downloaded probably came from you, then yes, there are extra costs involved. Given that building, hosting and maintaining those platforms in turn costs money, this doesn't seem entirely unreasonable.

If you feel that Gatekeeper is pressuring you to sign up for a developer account and that this is unfair, I encourage you to attempt to solve the same set of problems in a different fashion, preferably a decade or so ago when it started being relevant.

= Mike

On May 15, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Brian Cook wrote:

>
>> They probably have a corporate accounts are $150 and allow 100 people to be on the account.
>
> Nope. No code-signing certificate. I truly hate Apple's marketing machine. We have an "account" but all the useful links lead to a demand for $99. The advertisement is essentially "sign up today to develop for Apple" only you can't actually develop for Apple until they get their bribe service fee.
>
> Apple has this for iOS...
>
> iOS Developer University Program
> Free
> For higher education institutions looking to introduce iOS development into their curriculum.
>
> But nothing comparable for the Mac.
>
> - Brian
>
>
>>>> One person will have topay the $99,
>>>
>>> Are you certain? I ask because my employer just signed us up as Apple developers and didn't have to pay the extortion service fee. I don't know if we can publish through the App Store but I believe we have a code-signing certificate. I'll try to get some details tomorrow.
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Well ...
>>>>>
>>>>> wouldn't it be convenient to make the IDE available from the Mac App Store anyway. It is for free anyway ... or would we have to pay the 99USD developers fee to be allowed to put it in the store?
>>>>>
>>>>> /d
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> De: developers- [developers-] en nombre de Billy Tiemann []
>>>>> Enviado: domingo, 13 de mayo de 2012 18:52
>>>>> Para: j.eric townsend
>>>>> CC: Arduino Developers
>>>>> Asunto: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>>>>
>>>>> Yawn, optional, not required, yawn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gatekeeper brings you even more security options — and even more control. For maximum security, you can install and run only apps from the Mac App Store. You can choose to install and run apps from the Mac App Store and apps that have a Developer ID. Or you can install all apps from anywhere, just as you can today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Billy
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2012, at 9:24 AM, j. eric townsend wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I let my developer registration lapse a bit too long to discover this in a blog... Anyone here looking at the signatures required in OSX 10.8? Does this mean all the avr/gnu tools will require signatures as well?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.

This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.

Thank you,
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we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)

thanks!

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> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate. All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
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Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.

David

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi <> wrote:
> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>
> thanks!
>
> m
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> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>
> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>
> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
> the paywall.
>
> Thank you,
> J.C. Woltz
> Sent from mobile device.
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And a quick comparison to 10.6, I remembered I need to have

defaults write com.apple.CrashReporter DialogType none

as a rule in my makefile to get rid of crash reports when a binary fails.

I don't need this for Arduino because I'm not running the binaries I
compile on the Mac, just on the Arduino.

So maybe Gatekeeper just needs to allow a signed Arduino binary (costs
$100, requires Apple Store approval) and we can ignore the compiled
programs?

On 5/16/12 11:21, David A. Mellis wrote:
> Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
> GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
> reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
> sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
> binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.
>
> David
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi<> wrote:
>> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> m
>>
>> --
>> Massimo Banzi<>
>> Arduino
>>
>> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>>
>> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
>> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
>> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>>
>> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
>> the paywall.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> J.C. Woltz
>> Sent from mobile device.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Smith<>
>> Sender: developers-
>> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:02:39
>> To: Brian Cook<>
>> Cc: Arduino Developer's List<>
>> Subject: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
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On 17 May 2012 08:50, j. eric townsend <> wrote:
> On 5/16/12 11:21, David A. Mellis wrote:
>> sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
>> binary, though.  Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.
>
> So maybe Gatekeeper just needs to allow a signed Arduino binary (costs $100,
> requires Apple Store approval) and we can ignore the compiled programs?
If I understand your question correctly, I think the answer is that
I'm assuming that David meant the included pre-compiled binaries such
as avr-gcc, not the binary output from the Arduino IDE.

I would guess that if the pre-compiled binaries are included as part
of the Arduino IDE then a signing of "Arduino binary" would include
the pre-compiled binaries being signed (or at least tracked) in the
process.

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I spent a few hours studying the Developer ID program over the weekend.
I updated my MacBook to 10.7.4 and downloaded XCode 4.3.2. I believe you
can request a Developer ID without charge through XCode, but I have not
tried doing this yet.

None of the Developer ID documentation or code signing documentation
I've read suggests that you must be a member of a paid Developer program
in order to get a Developer ID. The program states that only team agents
can have a distribution key, and individual developers can be their own
team agents, so they can automatically get a distribution certificate
and a separate developer certificate. It does not say that team agents
or Developers must have paid subscriptions to the IOS or Mac Developer
programs. The current versions of the Developer ID documentation lead
one to think you can get a developer ID if you are a member of the free
version of the Mac Developer programs.

With that said, I guess that if you want to test your app with
Gatekeeper then you must have a beta version of the next Mac OS and that
in turn requires a paid developer subscription, right? To this date,
I've hesitated to join a paid Mac program. I don't yet have a financial
incentive to join one, but maybe time will change that.

Thanks

Bob Cochran


On 5/16/12 11:21 AM, David A. Mellis wrote:
> Yeah, this seems important to me. I'd like to participate in the
> GateKeeper program if possible so that we're not forcing people to
> reduce the security of their computer to run the Arduino software. It
> sounds like this will get complicated if we need to sign each included
> binary, though. Once 1.0.1 is out, I'm hoping to investigate further.
>
> David
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Massimo Banzi<> wrote:
>> we'll get an account and see if we get accepted :)
>>
>> thanks!
>>
>> m
>>
>> --
>> Massimo Banzi<>
>> Arduino
>>
>> On Tuesday, 15 May 2012 at 12:08, J.C. Woltz wrote:
>>
>> I'm not advocating this approach. Just pointing out a "Corporate" account is
>> $300 per year. The first person to sign up get the distribution certificate.
>> All the other developers get development signing certs.
>>
>> This will allow the people on the team to get that content that is behind
>> the paywall.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> J.C. Woltz
>> Sent from mobile device.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael Smith<>
>> Sender: developers-
>> Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:02:39
>> To: Brian Cook<>
>> Cc: Arduino Developer's List<>
>> Subject: Re: [Developers] Apple Gatekeeper in 10/8
>>
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