Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
didn't need them!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>> no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>> and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>> several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
didn't need them!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>> no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>> and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>> several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
said, it's cheap enough to try.

I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
plugs, and see what happens.

Ben Wagner

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> > again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> > winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> > hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> > I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
> >
> > Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> > Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> > going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> > no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> > engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> > it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> > soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> > I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
> is
> > all the way in.
> >
> > I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> > as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> > _______________________________________________
> > AT mailing list
> > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
didn't need them!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>> no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>> and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>> several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
said, it's cheap enough to try.

I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
plugs, and see what happens.

Ben Wagner

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> > again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> > winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> > hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> > I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
> >
> > Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> > Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> > going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> > no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> > engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> > it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> > soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> > I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
> is
> > all the way in.
> >
> > I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> > as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> > _______________________________________________
> > AT mailing list
> > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.

On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> said, it's cheap enough to try.
>
> I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
> plugs, and see what happens.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
didn't need them!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>> no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>> and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>> several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
said, it's cheap enough to try.

I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
plugs, and see what happens.

Ben Wagner

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> > again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> > winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> > hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> > I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
> >
> > Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> > Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> > going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> > no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> > engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> > it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> > soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> > I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
> is
> > all the way in.
> >
> > I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> > as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> > _______________________________________________
> > AT mailing list
> > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.

On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> said, it's cheap enough to try.
>
> I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
> plugs, and see what happens.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I am one on the other side. I would not have bothered to carry them out
of the store. There is a reason for the close out sale.

About 15-20 years ago I started to have troubles with spark plugs in my
tractors. I was using Champion D-19 and D-21. At the same time I
started having real problems with my Pratt & Whitney radial on the
sprayer. 18 spark plugs at a time. I was using Champion massive
electrode plugs, REM40E. I quit the Champions and problems left.

I never could get Champions to run to my satisfaction in a Chevrolet of
any sort. However, a good friend used nothing but Champions in his
BB/fuel dragster. He had 5 gal buckets full of plugs with 1/4 mile on
them! Free plugs 5 gallons at a time. I did use them, of course. :-)

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 7/14/2011 6:13 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
> didn't need them!
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
> the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
> overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
> have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
> happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
> consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
> months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
> 25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
> Farmall tractors so I will use them all.
>
> On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>>> no
>>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>>> and
>>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>>> several
>>> boat engines.
>>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
>> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
didn't need them!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>> no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>> and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>> several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
said, it's cheap enough to try.

I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
plugs, and see what happens.

Ben Wagner

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> > again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> > winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> > hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> > I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
> >
> > Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> > Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> > going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> > no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> > engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> > it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> > soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> > I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
> is
> > all the way in.
> >
> > I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> > as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> > _______________________________________________
> > AT mailing list
> > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.

On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> said, it's cheap enough to try.
>
> I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
> plugs, and see what happens.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I am one on the other side. I would not have bothered to carry them out
of the store. There is a reason for the close out sale.

About 15-20 years ago I started to have troubles with spark plugs in my
tractors. I was using Champion D-19 and D-21. At the same time I
started having real problems with my Pratt & Whitney radial on the
sprayer. 18 spark plugs at a time. I was using Champion massive
electrode plugs, REM40E. I quit the Champions and problems left.

I never could get Champions to run to my satisfaction in a Chevrolet of
any sort. However, a good friend used nothing but Champions in his
BB/fuel dragster. He had 5 gal buckets full of plugs with 1/4 mile on
them! Free plugs 5 gallons at a time. I did use them, of course. :-)

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 7/14/2011 6:13 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
> didn't need them!
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
> the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
> overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
> have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
> happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
> consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
> months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
> 25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
> Farmall tractors so I will use them all.
>
> On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>>> no
>>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>>> and
>>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>>> several
>>> boat engines.
>>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
>> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I'll let you know what happens; it'll be later tonight since I'm running to
town this afternoon. I was looking up my problem yesterday afternoon, and I
pulled up this quote:

"A motor that runs good cold [ without the choke ] is not going to run good
hot. A cold motor needs lots of gas droplets in the combustion chamber so
that the individual gas droplets burn somewhat consecutively and the motor
runs somewhat smoothly. Once the motor gets hot the gas in the combustion
chamber flashes to vapor and burns very well unless you have too much then
it misfires."

I haven't heard anything like this before mentioning the choke. Is this a
true statement? I can't find much else backing it up.

Ben Wagner

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.
>
> On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> > plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> > said, it's cheap enough to try.
> >
> > I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> > recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new
> spark
> > plugs, and see what happens.
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
didn't need them!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>> no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>> and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>> several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
said, it's cheap enough to try.

I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
plugs, and see what happens.

Ben Wagner

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> > again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> > winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> > hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> > I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
> >
> > Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> > Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> > going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> > no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> > engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> > it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> > soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> > I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
> is
> > all the way in.
> >
> > I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> > as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> > _______________________________________________
> > AT mailing list
> > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.

On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> said, it's cheap enough to try.
>
> I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
> plugs, and see what happens.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I am one on the other side. I would not have bothered to carry them out
of the store. There is a reason for the close out sale.

About 15-20 years ago I started to have troubles with spark plugs in my
tractors. I was using Champion D-19 and D-21. At the same time I
started having real problems with my Pratt & Whitney radial on the
sprayer. 18 spark plugs at a time. I was using Champion massive
electrode plugs, REM40E. I quit the Champions and problems left.

I never could get Champions to run to my satisfaction in a Chevrolet of
any sort. However, a good friend used nothing but Champions in his
BB/fuel dragster. He had 5 gal buckets full of plugs with 1/4 mile on
them! Free plugs 5 gallons at a time. I did use them, of course. :-)

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 7/14/2011 6:13 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
> didn't need them!
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
> the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
> overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
> have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
> happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
> consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
> months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
> 25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
> Farmall tractors so I will use them all.
>
> On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>>> no
>>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>>> and
>>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>>> several
>>> boat engines.
>>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
>> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I'll let you know what happens; it'll be later tonight since I'm running to
town this afternoon. I was looking up my problem yesterday afternoon, and I
pulled up this quote:

"A motor that runs good cold [ without the choke ] is not going to run good
hot. A cold motor needs lots of gas droplets in the combustion chamber so
that the individual gas droplets burn somewhat consecutively and the motor
runs somewhat smoothly. Once the motor gets hot the gas in the combustion
chamber flashes to vapor and burns very well unless you have too much then
it misfires."

I haven't heard anything like this before mentioning the choke. Is this a
true statement? I can't find much else backing it up.

Ben Wagner

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.
>
> On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> > plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> > said, it's cheap enough to try.
> >
> > I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> > recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new
> spark
> > plugs, and see what happens.
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Sometime a close out is just because they change suppliers. I have
bought hundreds of spark plugs of all brands at Walmart for 25 cents
each. I sold them all on ebay. I was not really endorsing Champion
plugs for anything but this application and I have just seen it work.
One of the things I love and hate about Farmall's is all the little
quirks. Almost all of the ones I have have their own personalities.

On 7/14/2011 9:48 AM, Ronald L. Cook wrote:
> I am one on the other side. I would not have bothered to carry them out
> of the store. There is a reason for the close out sale.
>
> About 15-20 years ago I started to have troubles with spark plugs in my
> tractors. I was using Champion D-19 and D-21. At the same time I
> started having real problems with my Pratt& Whitney radial on the
> sprayer. 18 spark plugs at a time. I was using Champion massive
> electrode plugs, REM40E. I quit the Champions and problems left.
>
> I never could get Champions to run to my satisfaction in a Chevrolet of
> any sort. However, a good friend used nothing but Champions in his
> BB/fuel dragster. He had 5 gal buckets full of plugs with 1/4 mile on
> them! Free plugs 5 gallons at a time. I did use them, of course. :-)
>
> Ron Cook
> Salix, IA
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)

Hi everyone,

My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.

Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
all the way in.

I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?

Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
If I had to guess, it sounds like something in the
governor-to-carburetor linkage is either stuck or missing.

Mike

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Description sounds like crud in the fuel line + carb.,
especially since it runs ok no-load.
ie, just enough gas seeps thru the crud to idle it.

Crud could be dirt/sediment or congealed alcohol gunk.

Alternatively, points or condensor, especially if there is a cold vs warm
heat factor.

As someone said, just painted could mean governor linkage sticking.

Dave Merchant


At 04:52 PM 7/13/2011, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
>I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
>Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
>no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
>engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
>soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>all the way in.
>
>I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
>as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
>Ben Wagner
>_______________________________________________
>Farmall mailing list
>http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/farmall

Dave Merchant




http://www.nesys.com
http://www.nesys.org
YouTube: SteamCrane

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Ben, try taking the fuel line off the carb and make sure you have good flow.

Mike M

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Wagner" <>
To: "Farmall/IHC mailing list" <>; "Antique
tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: [AT] More engine issues


> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it, the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
about them are bad.
I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
a cheap enough try to check it out.

On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>
> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
> all the way in.
>
> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>
> Ben Wagner
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
problem..... that I knew of any way.
A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
boat engines.
Still a lot of guys say they misfire.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:40 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

They may not work in any engine, but they sure work better than anything
else in Farmalls. Someone told me that plug was a little hotter than
Farmall called for originally.

On 7/13/2011 7:32 PM, charlie hill wrote:
> Dan that is the FIRST time I have ever seen a message recommending
> Champion
> plugs. I've run them in the past with no problem but most comments you
> read
> about them are bad.
> I'm glad to know they are good for something! grins.
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:09 PM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
>> again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
>> winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
>> hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
>> after
>> I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
>>
>> Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
>> Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
>> going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
>> now
>> no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
>> the
>> engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
>> it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
>> as
>> soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
>> I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
>> is
>> all the way in.
>>
>> I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
>> unclear
>> as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
>>
>> Ben Wagner
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>
> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
> problem..... that I knew of any way.
> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
> boat engines.
> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>
> Charlie
To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.

Ralph in Sask.
>
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
didn't need them!

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Glass
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues

I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
Farmall tractors so I will use them all.

On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>> no
>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>> and
>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>> several
>> boat engines.
>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>
>> Charlie
> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
said, it's cheap enough to try.

I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
plugs, and see what happens.

Ben Wagner

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:09 PM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> I know this is kind of an odd thing, but I have had two farmall A's that
> did the same thing. The solution in both cases were spark plugs other
> than Champion D21's. I have friend whose Farmall 130 got stranded in
> the field and he told me that it wouldn't pull its own weight in first
> gear and he said he was going to have to overhaul the engine. I told
> him about the Champion plugs and he said I was crazy. I told him I had
> a set in the garage and I would install them just for grins and if it
> didn't help then he hasn't lost anything. I put in the new set and
> drove it back to the barn in third gear. He is a believer now. I
> bought a "wore out" cub lowboy that wouldn't even pull itself up on the
> trailer. When I was looking it over I noticed it had autolite plugs, I
> pulled them out and put in the champion d21's and I have been using it
> for about 12 years. Of course, its not the answer to everything but its
> a cheap enough try to check it out.
>
> On 7/13/2011 4:52 PM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > My 1945 Farmall A has recently had a coat of paint, and I started it up
> > again about a week ago. It was running great when I was using it this
> > winter. The day I started it up, it stalled when I tried 1st gear down a
> > hill. I assumed it was because I hadn't run it in about a month, and
> after
> > I ran it for a few minutes it seemed to work fine.
> >
> > Today, I had it out and was running it for almost a quarter of an hour.
> > Everything was working fine, until I tried road gear. It stalled again
> > going up a slight hill, and I could barely limp it back in 1st. It has
> now
> > no power. It runs fine with no load, but as soon as I try to drive it,
> the
> > engine skips and gasps. Pulling the choke out even slightly nearly kills
> > it. I can cut off the engine, and start it back up with no trouble. But
> as
> > soon as I try to move the tractor, the engine acts like the end is near.
> > I've got plenty of clean fuel in the tank, the gas is on, and the choke
> is
> > all the way in.
> >
> > I hope this makes sense, but feel free to ask me to clarify anything
> unclear
> > as to the circumstances. Do you have any ideas?
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> > _______________________________________________
> > AT mailing list
> > http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.

On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> said, it's cheap enough to try.
>
> I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new spark
> plugs, and see what happens.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I am one on the other side. I would not have bothered to carry them out
of the store. There is a reason for the close out sale.

About 15-20 years ago I started to have troubles with spark plugs in my
tractors. I was using Champion D-19 and D-21. At the same time I
started having real problems with my Pratt & Whitney radial on the
sprayer. 18 spark plugs at a time. I was using Champion massive
electrode plugs, REM40E. I quit the Champions and problems left.

I never could get Champions to run to my satisfaction in a Chevrolet of
any sort. However, a good friend used nothing but Champions in his
BB/fuel dragster. He had 5 gal buckets full of plugs with 1/4 mile on
them! Free plugs 5 gallons at a time. I did use them, of course. :-)

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 7/14/2011 6:13 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Good deal Dan, at that price I would have bought them all too, even if I
> didn't need them!
>
> Charlie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Glass
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:10 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] More engine issues
>
> I agree in most cases. And most work fine when they are first put in
> the tractor. The buddy of mine with the 130 was in the business of
> overhauling forklift engines for 35 years and he also said he wouldn't
> have believed it if he hadn't seen it for himself. The first time it
> happened to me I just thought it was a quirk but it seems to be a
> consistent problem with other plugs. I went into Tractor Supply a few
> months ago and they had about 50 D21's in their close out bin priced at
> 25 cents each. I bought all of them. I still have about 15 or 20
> Farmall tractors so I will use them all.
>
> On 7/14/2011 1:41 AM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 7/13/2011 8:35 PM, charlie hill wrote:
>>> Well a 21 is certainly a hot plug. Champion plugs in general have a bad
>>> reputation among tractor guys. Like I said earlier, I've used them with
>>> no
>>> problem..... that I knew of any way.
>>> A lot of guys run them in boat engines because they are cadmium plated
>>> and
>>> don't rust so quickly in salt water environments. I've run them in
>>> several
>>> boat engines.
>>> Still a lot of guys say they misfire.
>>>
>>> Charlie
>> To me a spark plug is a spark plug. Never seen any difference in brands.
>> I'll buy whatever is available as they all seem to do the job.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
I'll let you know what happens; it'll be later tonight since I'm running to
town this afternoon. I was looking up my problem yesterday afternoon, and I
pulled up this quote:

"A motor that runs good cold [ without the choke ] is not going to run good
hot. A cold motor needs lots of gas droplets in the combustion chamber so
that the individual gas droplets burn somewhat consecutively and the motor
runs somewhat smoothly. Once the motor gets hot the gas in the combustion
chamber flashes to vapor and burns very well unless you have too much then
it misfires."

I haven't heard anything like this before mentioning the choke. Is this a
true statement? I can't find much else backing it up.

Ben Wagner

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Dan Glass <> wrote:

> Good luck, let us know how it works out. I will be interested to hear.
>
> On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
> > Thanks to everyone for their input. I'll certainly try the D21 spark
> > plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now. Like you
> > said, it's cheap enough to try.
> >
> > I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
> > recently rebuilt the carb. I may try a good cleaning today, with new
> spark
> > plugs, and see what happens.
> >
> > Ben Wagner
> >
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
Sometime a close out is just because they change suppliers. I have
bought hundreds of spark plugs of all brands at Walmart for 25 cents
each. I sold them all on ebay. I was not really endorsing Champion
plugs for anything but this application and I have just seen it work.
One of the things I love and hate about Farmall's is all the little
quirks. Almost all of the ones I have have their own personalities.

On 7/14/2011 9:48 AM, Ronald L. Cook wrote:
> I am one on the other side. I would not have bothered to carry them out
> of the store. There is a reason for the close out sale.
>
> About 15-20 years ago I started to have troubles with spark plugs in my
> tractors. I was using Champion D-19 and D-21. At the same time I
> started having real problems with my Pratt& Whitney radial on the
> sprayer. 18 spark plugs at a time. I was using Champion massive
> electrode plugs, REM40E. I quit the Champions and problems left.
>
> I never could get Champions to run to my satisfaction in a Chevrolet of
> any sort. However, a good friend used nothing but Champions in his
> BB/fuel dragster. He had 5 gal buckets full of plugs with 1/4 mile on
> them! Free plugs 5 gallons at a time. I did use them, of course. :-)
>
> Ron Cook
> Salix, IA
>
_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)
"A motor that runs good cold [ without the choke ] is not going to run good
hot. A cold motor needs lots of gas droplets in the combustion chamber so
that the individual gas droplets burn somewhat consecutively and the motor
runs somewhat smoothly. Once the motor gets hot the gas in the combustion
chamber flashes to vapor and burns very well unless you have too much then
it misfires."

This statement makes a lot of common sense and also explains why the
old tractors could not run Kerosene until warmed up first on gasoline.
Ditto for the semi-diesels such as the Farmall MD family.

Charlie V.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Ben Wagner <> wrote:
> I'll let you know what happens; it'll be later tonight since I'm running to
> town this afternoon.  I was looking up my problem yesterday afternoon, and I
> pulled up this quote:
>
> "A motor that runs good cold [ without the choke ] is not going to run good
> hot. A cold motor needs lots of gas droplets in the combustion chamber so
> that the individual gas droplets burn somewhat consecutively and the motor
> runs somewhat smoothly. Once the motor gets hot the gas in the combustion
> chamber flashes to vapor and burns very well unless you have too much then
> it misfires."
>
> I haven't heard anything like this before mentioning the choke.  Is this a
> true statement?   I can't find much else backing it up.
>
> Ben Wagner
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Dan Glass <> wrote:
>
>> Good luck, let us know how it works out.  I will be interested to hear.
>>
>> On 7/14/2011 8:12 AM, Ben Wagner wrote:
>> > Thanks to everyone for their input.   I'll certainly try the D21 spark
>> > plugs, since I do have Autolite plugs in the tractor right now.  Like you
>> > said, it's cheap enough to try.
>> >
>> > I was leaning towards a fuel line/carb issue, except that I have just
>> > recently rebuilt the carb.  I may try a good cleaning today, with new
>> spark
>> > plugs, and see what happens.
>> >
>> > Ben Wagner
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> AT mailing list
>> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>>
> _______________________________________________
> AT mailing list
> http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
>

_______________________________________________
AT mailing list
http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at
)