On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Michal Varga <> wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 20:17 +0200, Patrick Lamaiziere wrote:
>> Le Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:56:22 +0200,
>> Michal Varga <> a Ã©crit :
>> > Nvidia GTX 460 works perfectly fine on FreeBSD and same goes for any
>> > modern/supported Nvidia hardware (which is basically all of them, save
>> > for some brain-dead stuff like Nvidia Optimus).
>> Here it does not work. Watching a video is enought to freeze the box
>> (using the Xvideo extension). I've tried all the drivers available from
>> Nvidia with various issues.
> Is it possible that your're actually running VDPAU-enabled video
> acceleration under compositor, i.e. metacity WM in compositing mode
> (which is non-default btw)?
> That's one (and probably the only one in the wild) known cause that
> produces random, but quite frequent freezes.
> This is as far as I know still unresolved by Nvidia, but also probably
> very low on their to-do list, for obvious reasons.
So you agree with that Nvidia drivers are not stable. I agree with it
because my roommate has 2 boxes running Nvidia cards and their
official binary drivers. He suffered from the unstable video and the
incomplete Xcomposite supports a lot.
>> Anyway, I would not say that NVidia always works, that is my fourth
>> box using a nvidia card and only two cards worked well (since FreeBSD
>> So my question is still open:
>> "Could you tell me a graphic card (pci express) that will work fine
>> on FreeBSD? (If i can use a dual screen it will be better)"
>> Thanks, regards.
> I can only say it again - aside from the known compositor issue (which
> is pretty specifically narrowed down and thus easy to avoid, if only by
> disabling metacity compositing), there are tons of people running Nvidia
> hardware under FreeBSD without any issues, and even by a magnitude more
> under Linux (it might look that that's unrelated, but with the way
> Nvidia builds their drivers, it actually is).
> So, to your (repeated) question.
> There is only one graphics card manufacturer that actually PRODUCES
> drivers for FreeBSD. That is Nvidia.
Yes, and no. Nvidia provides closed source drivers only, and never
helps open source drivers. As what you have agreed with: when their
drivers are not stable, or even their drivers introduce security
problems, you can do nothing. You have no choice but be at their
> Intel drivers are horrible crap, but someone already stated that
> somewhere in this thread (and too much politely by the way).
> AMD, both hardware and software is a joke, even under Linux, where they
> actually have *some* driver support, they're a terrible joke (and nobody
> laughs, especially the owners). Open source drivers for their hardware
> are something... where... well, where you can sometimes display 2D
> graphics. Some of those times even without issues and glitches.
But AMD/ATI supports the development of the open source drivers. Now
xf86-video-ati driver supports full 2D acceleration, xrander,
anti-tears, KMS, basic 3D acceleration... what Nvidia has? Unstable
vdpau? And also, when we meet problems, we can check ATI documents and
modify the source code. Just compare the quality of xf86-video-ati and
xf86-video-nouveau, and you will know which cards are better choice.
> What else exactly would you want to use? VIA (absolutely no support
> under Linux, absolutely absolutely completely none support under
> Ahem. Ok, let's stop right there.
> You already own Nvidia hardware (which alone is the best choice you have
> anyway), and from what I've seen, at least a few people already told you
> that Nvidia hardware works.
> It's your choice and your time of course, so you can spend it either on
> trying to narrow down your Nvidia issue, which must be pretty exotic
> that it bites only you while so many people enjoy working Nvidia
> products, or you can spend (read: waste) it on looking for something
> that doesn't exist. The thing that doesn't exist is *other* graphics
> card manufacturer that actually supports FreeBSD. It's your choice,
No. They are not supporting FreeBSD. They are weakening and destroying
the philosophy of FreeBSD and Open Source communities with their
unstable, buggy, and insecure favors.
> Michal Varga,
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