Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
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Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
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Pete Vegeto
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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



-----Original Message-----
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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> wrote:

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> Ditto here!
>
> Lillian Fraker
>
> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
>
>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vegeto <> <>
> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
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>
> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



-----Original Message-----
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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
>
>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vegeto <> <>
> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
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> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: BBU List
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vegeto <>
To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Robert & Lillian Fraker <
> wrote:

> To Unsubscribe or change your mail options please visit:
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> Ditto here!
>
> Lillian Fraker
>
> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
>
>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vegeto <> <>
> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> To Unsubscribe or change your mail options please visit:
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>
>
> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
>
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: BBU List
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vegeto <>
To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vegeto <>
To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Robert & Lillian Fraker <
> wrote:

> To Unsubscribe or change your mail options please visit:
>
> http://bbu.org/mailman/listinfo/nebg_bbu.org
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Ditto here!
>
> Lillian Fraker
>
> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
>
>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vegeto <> <>
> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> To Unsubscribe or change your mail options please visit:
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> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
>
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: BBU List
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 2:41 PM


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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.





From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)


 Okay, rant over.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vegeto <>
To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



-----Original Message-----
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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
>
>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vegeto <> <>
> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
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>
> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: BBU List
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

--- On Tue, 6/7/11, Barb Diederich <> wrote:


From: Barb Diederich <>
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
To:
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 2:41 PM


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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.





From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)


 Okay, rant over.


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Vegeto <>
To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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tOO funny!!!
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
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Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
>
>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Vegeto <> <>
> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
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> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: BBU List
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.





From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)


 Okay, rant over.


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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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tOO funny!!!
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
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Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?
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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy. If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt, such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.

One tends to get what one pays for. On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.

Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?


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1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.


3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect. Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.



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From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.


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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



-----Original Message-----
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To: nebg <>
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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
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> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
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> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.





From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)


 Okay, rant over.


-----Original Message-----
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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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tOO funny!!!
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I may be beating a dead horse, but people die from "exposure."



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?
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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy. If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt, such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.

One tends to get what one pays for. On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.

Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?


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1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.


3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect. Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.



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To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.


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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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I would tend to agree with Michael Schuttenberg on this.  It can be market economy or altruism.



I play in an oldtime/bluegrass band.  Sometimes we make great money like at weddings and bigger festivals.  Other times we've donated our services to good folks and non-profits we feel like supporting,   as well as  for exposure.  I make no apologies for taking either road.



We've gotten plenty of gigs as a result of playing for exposure.  Two instances that served as lessons to me come to mind right off the bat.  We played a show at a little venue in Haverhill, MA during a major snowstorm where we were getting paid based on the door.  We almost decided not to make the 2.5 hour drive out there due to the weather, but we had committed to playing so we showed up and played.  Only 4 people ventured out into the snow that night so we made squat.  But, one of those 4 people in the audience liked us so much he hired us for his wedding on the Cape at an exclusive country club for very good money. 



Another time we returned to a brew pub in Greenfield, MA where we used to play when we were just starting out, after a several year hiatus, and played because we love their beer and turkey burgers (no pay).  Well, don't you know, a young couple were there just for the food and beer, not knowing there was going to be live music that night, but when they heard us, they also booked us for their wedding.  So, anyone who doesn't ever play for exposure on general priniciple may be passing up good opportunity.  Let's not bash folks for offering "exposure" gigs.  It is a potentially mutually beneficial opportunity.  If you don't want to take it for fear of dying of exposure...don't.



-Andrew Woodland



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?


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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

--- On Tue, 6/7/11, Barb Diederich <> wrote:



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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:

I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.







From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM

Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


Calling all mechanics,




My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.




(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)




 Okay, rant over.




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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am

Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


Calling all bluegrass bands,
 

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
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Pete Vegeto
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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
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>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
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> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.





From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)


 Okay, rant over.


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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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tOO funny!!!
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?
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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy. If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt, such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.

One tends to get what one pays for. On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.

Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?


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1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.


3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect. Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.



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To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.


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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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I would tend to agree with Michael Schuttenberg on this.  It can be market economy or altruism.



I play in an oldtime/bluegrass band.  Sometimes we make great money like at weddings and bigger festivals.  Other times we've donated our services to good folks and non-profits we feel like supporting,   as well as  for exposure.  I make no apologies for taking either road.



We've gotten plenty of gigs as a result of playing for exposure.  Two instances that served as lessons to me come to mind right off the bat.  We played a show at a little venue in Haverhill, MA during a major snowstorm where we were getting paid based on the door.  We almost decided not to make the 2.5 hour drive out there due to the weather, but we had committed to playing so we showed up and played.  Only 4 people ventured out into the snow that night so we made squat.  But, one of those 4 people in the audience liked us so much he hired us for his wedding on the Cape at an exclusive country club for very good money. 



Another time we returned to a brew pub in Greenfield, MA where we used to play when we were just starting out, after a several year hiatus, and played because we love their beer and turkey burgers (no pay).  Well, don't you know, a young couple were there just for the food and beer, not knowing there was going to be live music that night, but when they heard us, they also booked us for their wedding.  So, anyone who doesn't ever play for exposure on general priniciple may be passing up good opportunity.  Let's not bash folks for offering "exposure" gigs.  It is a potentially mutually beneficial opportunity.  If you don't want to take it for fear of dying of exposure...don't.



-Andrew Woodland



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?


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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

--- On Tue, 6/7/11, Barb Diederich <> wrote:



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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:

I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.







From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM

Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


Calling all mechanics,




My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.




(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)




 Okay, rant over.




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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am

Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


Calling all bluegrass bands,
 

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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I agree with most of your points Andrew and I have had many of the same
experiences doing an "exposure" gig. I also have no problem playing an
occasional benefit for a good cause. My only problem with a no-pay gig
is when it is offered by an entity that can pay (e.g. a municipality).
Most of these entities don't pay because they assume they don't have to.
That's not cool and not fair; they are simply taking advantage of us.

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
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Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
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> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
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> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
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> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

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At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.





From: "" <>
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Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)


 Okay, rant over.


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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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I may be beating a dead horse, but people die from "exposure."



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
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Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?
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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy. If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt, such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.

One tends to get what one pays for. On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.

Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?


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1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.


3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect. Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.



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Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.


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Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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I would tend to agree with Michael Schuttenberg on this.  It can be market economy or altruism.



I play in an oldtime/bluegrass band.  Sometimes we make great money like at weddings and bigger festivals.  Other times we've donated our services to good folks and non-profits we feel like supporting,   as well as  for exposure.  I make no apologies for taking either road.



We've gotten plenty of gigs as a result of playing for exposure.  Two instances that served as lessons to me come to mind right off the bat.  We played a show at a little venue in Haverhill, MA during a major snowstorm where we were getting paid based on the door.  We almost decided not to make the 2.5 hour drive out there due to the weather, but we had committed to playing so we showed up and played.  Only 4 people ventured out into the snow that night so we made squat.  But, one of those 4 people in the audience liked us so much he hired us for his wedding on the Cape at an exclusive country club for very good money. 



Another time we returned to a brew pub in Greenfield, MA where we used to play when we were just starting out, after a several year hiatus, and played because we love their beer and turkey burgers (no pay).  Well, don't you know, a young couple were there just for the food and beer, not knowing there was going to be live music that night, but when they heard us, they also booked us for their wedding.  So, anyone who doesn't ever play for exposure on general priniciple may be passing up good opportunity.  Let's not bash folks for offering "exposure" gigs.  It is a potentially mutually beneficial opportunity.  If you don't want to take it for fear of dying of exposure...don't.



-Andrew Woodland



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?


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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:

I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.







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Calling all mechanics,




My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.




(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)




 Okay, rant over.




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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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I agree with most of your points Andrew and I have had many of the same
experiences doing an "exposure" gig. I also have no problem playing an
occasional benefit for a good cause. My only problem with a no-pay gig
is when it is offered by an entity that can pay (e.g. a municipality).
Most of these entities don't pay because they assume they don't have to.
That's not cool and not fair; they are simply taking advantage of us.


I think Rick has pointed out the crux of the debate. It's one thing to play on
the Joe Val Showcase stage for exposure and quite another to be asked by
merchants who are promoting their businesses to play for free using exposure as
bait. BTW, this question just occurred to me--aren't we part of the Boston
Bluegrass Union?

Eben




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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto



Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.






(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.



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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.

Eben




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Calling all mechanics, 

My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside
gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a
wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact
me off list.



(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many
"wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share
of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants
to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music,
they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or
strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros
will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too
busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional
cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of
Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets
frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.) 

 Okay, rant over. 



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Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on 
Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this
community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is
a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern
Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
at 802-464-8092.

--
warm regards,

Pete Vegeto
978-413-1778

http://www.linkedin.com/in/petervegeto


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Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural
Commissionto disburse to
community groups to be used for 2012 cultural events.
Application deadline is mid-October (check with your local cultural
commission).

I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events
similar to Wilmington
VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply for and
secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information
here.

Jeff Boudreau


Well...here's one of my favorite Facebook sites...it's relevant!
https://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46093757557

Check it out. Want exposure...make a video, put it on YouTube or Facebook.
The whole world is a stage, and these are two of the biggest.
Don't play for peanuts!

NN


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> On 6/7/2011 11:26 AM, Eben Salter wrote:
>
>
> I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
> Eben
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "" <> <><>
> *To:* ;
> *Sent:* Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
> *Subject:* Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
> Calling all mechanics,
>
> My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues"
> on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an
> outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying
> gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested,
> please contact me off list.
>
>
> (This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so
> many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a
> fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For
> the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about
> supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay
> for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook
> up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local
> music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all
> the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
> see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music.
> Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from
> my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given
> such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: nebg <> <>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
> Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
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> Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
> The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll"
> on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at
> this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is
> desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
> exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested,
> please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
>
> --
> warm regards,
>
> Pete Vegeto
> 978-413-1778
>
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Amen to this, and to club owners: charge a door cover - give yourselves
something to work with so you CAN pay the bands!



From: nebg- [mailto:nebg-] On Behalf Of J
Boudreau
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 12:22 PM
To: BBU List
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT



Unless funding changes this year, Massachustts towns will be allocated funds
from the Massachusetts Cultural Commission
to disburse to community groups to be
used for 2012 cultural events. Application deadline is mid-October (check
with your local cultural commission).



I encourage civic groups in Massachusetts towns producing events similar to
Wilmington VT's annual "Village Stroll" to plan ahead for next year. Apply
for and secure a grant to PAY the talent. MCC grant information here.




Jeff Boudreau



1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will,
hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I
have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I
have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only
compensation is to "gain exposure".

2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes
to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job
for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100
every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered
to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think
of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free,
this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers
out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.

3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one
will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect.
Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow
bluegrassers.

That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."


At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
>I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.
>
>
>From: "" <>
>To: ;
>Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
>Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all mechanics,
>
>My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up
>Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert
>mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own
>tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain
>exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.
>
>(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are
>so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My
>band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but
>what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money?
>If people really care about supporting local music, they should be
>willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries
>or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick
>Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all
>the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local
>musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll
>see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real
>music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice
>and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that
>musicians are so often given such little credit.)
>
> Okay, rant over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Vegeto <>
>To: nebg <>
>Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
>Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT
>
>Calling all bluegrass bands,
>
>The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village
>Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass
>band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig.
>Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a
>wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT
>community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider
>at 802-464-8092.

If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.





From: "" <>
To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)


 Okay, rant over.


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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,
 
The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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tOO funny!!!
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Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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Pete Vegeto
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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?
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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy. If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt, such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.

One tends to get what one pays for. On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.

Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?


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1) The idea is to "gain exposure"? Why? So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig? I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay. The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing. I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday. Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less. Bingo: I'm out of a gig. What do you think of this man? A jerk, right? Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing: cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs. You shou ld be ashamed.


3) As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them. And we wonder why we don't get no respect. Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant. Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
Bassist extraordinaire 301-633-2504
Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics: http://www.barbdiederich.com/

Adopt a pet from your local shelter! "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:
I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.



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To: ;
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 9:42:55 AM
Subject: Re: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all mechanics,


My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on Saturday, July 9th. It is in need of an expert mechanic. This is an outside gig. Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure. If you are interested, please contact me off list.


(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs. Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands, and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are so often given such little credit.)


Okay, rant over.


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To: nebg <>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 5:07 am
Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT

Calling all bluegrass bands,

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on Saturday, July 9th. They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event. This is an outside gig. Sound equipment is desirable This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community. If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.

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I would tend to agree with Michael Schuttenberg on this.  It can be market economy or altruism.



I play in an oldtime/bluegrass band.  Sometimes we make great money like at weddings and bigger festivals.  Other times we've donated our services to good folks and non-profits we feel like supporting,   as well as  for exposure.  I make no apologies for taking either road.



We've gotten plenty of gigs as a result of playing for exposure.  Two instances that served as lessons to me come to mind right off the bat.  We played a show at a little venue in Haverhill, MA during a major snowstorm where we were getting paid based on the door.  We almost decided not to make the 2.5 hour drive out there due to the weather, but we had committed to playing so we showed up and played.  Only 4 people ventured out into the snow that night so we made squat.  But, one of those 4 people in the audience liked us so much he hired us for his wedding on the Cape at an exclusive country club for very good money. 



Another time we returned to a brew pub in Greenfield, MA where we used to play when we were just starting out, after a several year hiatus, and played because we love their beer and turkey burgers (no pay).  Well, don't you know, a young couple were there just for the food and beer, not knowing there was going to be live music that night, but when they heard us, they also booked us for their wedding.  So, anyone who doesn't ever play for exposure on general priniciple may be passing up good opportunity.  Let's not bash folks for offering "exposure" gigs.  It is a potentially mutually beneficial opportunity.  If you don't want to take it for fear of dying of exposure...don't.



-Andrew Woodland



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Well probably not - i.e. no real solution. Hobbyist musicians will always play for less than those trying to earn a living at it. So it goes?


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If you happen to be of the Republican persuasion, the phenomenon at which you are ranting is called a market economy.  If you happen to be of the Democratic tilt,  such donated goods and services would be called altruistic.
 
One tends to get what one pays for.  On the other hand, "they" say the best things in life are free.
 
Hmmm---what is the solution to this dilemma?
 

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1)  The idea is to "gain exposure"?  Why?  So your band will, hopefully, impress someone who will hire you for a paying gig?  I have been playing bluegrass professionally for over 20 years and I have NEVER gotten a paying gig as a result of a gig where the only compensation is to "gain exposure".


2)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will EVER hire a band they have to actually pay.  The contract goes to the lowest bidder - in this case, the band which will do the job for nothing.  I had a bass playing gig once - an excellent gig, $100 every Sunday.  Another bass player found out about this and offered to do the gig for less.  Bingo:  I'm out of a gig.  What do you think of this man?  A jerk, right?  Well, when your band plays for free, this is exactly what you're doing:  cheating your fellow bluegrassers out of gigs.  You shou ld be ashamed.


3)  As long as bluegrass bands are willing to play for free, no one will ever respect them.  And we wonder why we don't get no respect.  Have some self-respect, at least, and respect for your fellow bluegrassers.


That's MY rant.  Your mileage may vary. ;-)


--Barb
  Bassist extraordinaire  301-633-2504
  Barb Diederich's Bluegrass Links and Lyrics:  http://www.barbdiederich.com/

  Adopt a pet from your local shelter!  "Every animal adopted is a life saved."




At 8:26 AM -0700 6/7/11, Eben Salter wrote:

I have to say that this "rant" was elegantly stated and I agree 100%.







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Calling all mechanics,




My beautiful Chevy Trailblazer  is having its annual "Acting Up Issues" on  Saturday, July 9th.   It is in need of an expert mechanic.  This is an outside gig.  Mechanic should supply his own tools. This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure.  If you are interested, please contact me off list.




(This, hopefully, is obvious satire. I just wonder why so there are so many "wonderful" opportunities for bands to play for free. My band plays a fair share of benefits for causes we support, but what's the cause here? For the merchants to make some extra money? If people really care about supporting local music, they should be willing to pay for it, like they pay for paintings or strawberries or car repairs. Otherwise, why not just hook up a PA and play Rick Skaggs CDs.  Someday, there will be no more local music, because all the pros will be in Nashville, LA, and New York, and all the local musicians will be too busy working to make a living to play. We'll see more and more professional cover bands,  and less and less real music. Nothing against the people of Wilmington, who are very nice and kind, from my experience. It just gets frustrating that musicians are  so often given such little credit.)




 Okay, rant over.




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Subject: NEBG: Gig opportunity in Wilmington, VT


Calling all bluegrass bands,
 

The beautiful town of Wilmington VT is having their annual "Village Stroll" on  Saturday, July 9th.   They are in need of a bluegrass band to perform at this community event.  This is an outside gig.  Sound equipment is desirable  This is a non-paying gig, but a wonderful opportunity to gain exposure in this southern Vermont VT community.  If you are interested, please contact Patrice Schneider at 802-464-8092.
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I agree with most of your points Andrew and I have had many of the same
experiences doing an "exposure" gig. I also have no problem playing an
occasional benefit for a good cause. My only problem with a no-pay gig
is when it is offered by an entity that can pay (e.g. a municipality).
Most of these entities don't pay because they assume they don't have to.
That's not cool and not fair; they are simply taking advantage of us.


I think Rick has pointed out the crux of the debate. It's one thing to play on
the Joe Val Showcase stage for exposure and quite another to be asked by
merchants who are promoting their businesses to play for free using exposure as
bait. BTW, this question just occurred to me--aren't we part of the Boston
Bluegrass Union?

Eben




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Hail hail! Amen et al!



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I think Rick has pointed out the crux of the debate. It's one thing to play
on the Joe Val Showcase stage for exposure and quite another to be asked by
merchants who are promoting their businesses to play for free using exposure
as bait. BTW, this question just occurred to me--aren't we part of the
Boston Bluegrass Union?



Eben



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