All,

As you may have noticed, f_minor was out of commission for a couple of
months while Karl and I transitioned it from it's long-time home at Rutgers
to glenngould.org. (Thanks Karl!! you're a lifesaver!) The main difference
is the email address you'll use to correspond with everyone but there are a
few other bits of information you should know.


- All the information that follows is available at
http://www.glenngould.org/
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address:
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Thanks for your patience through these changes and I look forward to further
fantastic conversations!

Mary Jo

a " must have " book for all gouldians : " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO , by helen mesaros. and , believe me, i've got them all. this volume is a veritable treasury of minutiae. i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the beethoven 5. enjoy!

Thanks for the cool new word! But ... how does "haptic" differ from "tactile"?

Bob


----- Original Message -----
From: michael macelletti
To: ; gail paynter
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:30 PM
Subject: [f_minor] book


a " must have " book for all gouldians : " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO , by helen mesaros. and , believe me, i've got them all. this volume is a veritable treasury of minutiae. i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the beethoven 5. enjoy!


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Hello,

I don't know who you should be directing this e-mail to, but I am not
'that person'! I am a Glenn Gould fan, and have bought and read many books
about him. I have also been known to write reviews on them, if I have
something to 'really say' -- but as far as the comments made here, they are not
familiar to me at all! I know that I have never [ever] used the word 'haptic'
and whenever I refer to myself, I always capitalize the "I" (I would have
also capitalized the word Nassau).

Therefore; this is not concerning anything written by me and I would
suggest you go back to the source you were reading this from and double check
for the name and/or e-mail address you should be sending your message to.

Regards,

Helen D.
(mailto:)
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In a message dated 6/28/2010 12:54:33 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:



Hello,

I don't know who you should be directing this e-mail to, but I am not
'that person'! I am a Glenn Gould fan, and have bought and read many books
about him. I have also been known to write reviews on them, if I have
something to 'really say' -- but as far as the comments made here, they are not
familiar to me at all! I know that I have never [ever] used the word 'haptic'
and whenever I refer to myself, I always capitalize the "I" (I would have
also capitalized the word Nassau).

Therefore; this is not concerning anything written by me and I would
suggest you go back to the source you were reading this from and double check
for the name and/or e-mail address you should be sending your message to.

Regards,

Helen D.
(mailto:)
__________________________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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sorry about getting a little excited about the word haptic, but it does seem to provide the missing term which describes the type of memory which most pianists use. ( and often with disastrous results ! ) and i'm happy to say, bob, that mr webster would totally agree with you is his fine book. no difference to him either. but , if i might be excused for a little personal interpretation, there may be a great difference. the term tactile seems to have been sullied by previous use, it's connection with the " feel " of , say, a fabric or smooth piano keys. ( providing they aren't worn ivories ! ). haptic, on the other hand, happily ( sorry about that ) because of it's lack of familiarity, can easily make the bridge between touch and mind to my way of thinking. it even sounds psychological ! i mentioned the disaster that can result in using this type of memory for a concert. it's always a temptation to rely upon it because
most pianists will find that they can play a sonata without music ( and without mind !! ) in just a few months. then they try to play it for a jury exam or recital, they start to " think " about the connections, and lo and behold, all is lost. their hand memory, or haptic memory was an illusion. and they slink away in disgrace.
i have a feeling that gg relied upon this type of memory to a certain extent, in addition to his using great additional analytical skills. this might explain his shaking in bed on the afternoon before a evening concert. ( i mean, there are rather more than a few unnatural memory spots in the goldberg, as anybody would admit who plays it ) it might also explain why he used the loud vacuum cleaner to distract his mind temporally so that he could get through the ascending sixths passage in the last movement ( var 5 ) of op 109. ( when suddenly, one day, he couldn't play it ! )
well, just a little digression on a day when it's honestly too hot in connecticut to do anything but think and then bother the f minors. stay cool if you happen to be on the unfortunate side of the equator.



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Thank you very much for the explnation.
Fred

--- On Mon, 6/28/10, michael macelletti <> wrote:


Subject: Re: [f_minor] book
Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 7:53 AM






sorry  about getting a little excited about the word haptic, but it does seem to provide the missing term which describes the type of memory which most pianists use. ( and often with disastrous results ! )     and i'm happy to say, bob, that mr webster would totally agree with you is his fine book. no difference to him either.  but , if i might be excused for a little personal interpretation,  there may be a great difference. the term tactile seems to have been sullied by previous use, it's connection with the " feel " of , say, a fabric or  smooth piano keys. ( providing they aren't worn ivories ! ).    haptic, on the other hand, happily ( sorry about that ) because of it's lack of familiarity, can easily make the bridge between touch and mind to my way of thinking.          it even sounds psychological !            i mentioned the disaster that can result in using this type of memory for a  concert. it's always a temptation to rely
upon  it because most pianists will find that they can play a sonata without music ( and without mind !! ) in just a few months. then they try to play it for a jury exam or recital, they start to  " think " about the connections, and lo and behold, all is lost.  their hand memory, or haptic memory was an illusion.  and they slink away in disgrace. 
i have a feeling that gg relied upon this type of memory to a certain extent, in addition to his using great additional analytical skills. this might explain his shaking in bed on the afternoon before a evening concert. ( i mean, there are rather more than a few unnatural memory spots in the goldberg, as anybody would admit who plays it )   it might also explain why he used the loud  vacuum cleaner to distract his mind temporally  so that he could get through the ascending sixths passage in the  last movement ( var 5 ) of  op 109. ( when suddenly, one day,  he couldn't play it ! )
well, just a little digression on a day when it's honestly too hot in connecticut to do anything but think and then bother the f minors.   stay cool if you happen to be on the unfortunate side of the equator.     




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Subject: Re: [f_minor] book


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Thanks for the cool new word! But ... how does "haptic" differ from "tactile"?
 
Bob
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:30 PM
Subject: [f_minor] book



a  " must have " book for all gouldians :    " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO ,   by helen mesaros.  and , believe  me, i've got them all.  this volume is  a veritable treasury of minutiae. i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the beethoven 5.   enjoy! 







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Hi to whoever is the organizer of this list,
Could you please remove me from the list? I had unsubscribed some time ago,
I guess before the change in management
Thank you
Melynda

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:33 PM, <> wrote:

> Thank you very much for the explnation.
> Fred
>
> --- On *Mon, 6/28/10, michael macelletti <>*wrote:
>
>
> From: michael macelletti <>
> Subject: Re: [f_minor] book
> To: "Robert Merkin" <>, "Discussion of the Canadian
> pianist Glenn Gould." <>, "gail paynter" <
> >
> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 7:53 AM
>
> sorry about getting a little excited about the word haptic, but it does
> seem to provide the missing term which describes the type of memory which
> most pianists use. ( and often with disastrous results ! ) and i'm happy
> to say, bob, that mr webster would totally agree with you is his fine book.
> no difference to him either. but , if i might be excused for a little
> personal interpretation, there may be a great difference. the term tactile
> seems to have been sullied by previous use, it's connection with the " feel
> " of , say, a fabric or smooth piano keys. ( providing they aren't worn
> ivories ! ). haptic, on the other hand, happily ( sorry about that )
> because of it's lack of familiarity, can easily make the bridge between
> touch and mind to my way of thinking. it even sounds psychological
> ! i mentioned the disaster that can result in using this type of
> memory for a concert. it's always a temptation to rely upon it because
> most pianists will find that they can play a sonata without music ( and
> without mind !! ) in just a few months. then they try to play it for a jury
> exam or recital, they start to " think " about the connections, and lo and
> behold, all is lost. their hand memory, or haptic memory was an illusion.
> and they slink away in disgrace.
> i have a feeling that gg relied upon this type of memory to a certain
> extent, in addition to his using great additional analytical skills. this
> might explain his shaking in bed on the afternoon before a evening concert.
> ( i mean, there are rather more than a few unnatural memory spots in the
> goldberg, as anybody would admit who plays it ) it might also explain why
> he used the loud vacuum cleaner to distract his mind temporally so that he
> could get through the ascending sixths passage in the last movement ( var 5
> ) of op 109. ( when suddenly, one day, he couldn't play it ! )
> well, just a little digression on a day when it's honestly too hot in
> connecticut to do anything but think and then bother the f minors. stay
> cool if you happen to be on the unfortunate side of the equator.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Robert Merkin <>
> *To:* Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould. <
> >
> *Sent:* Sun, June 27, 2010 11:39:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [f_minor] book
>
> *Thanks for the cool new word! But ... how does "haptic" differ from
> "tactile"?*
> **
> *Bob*
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* michael macelletti
> *To:* ; gail
> paynter
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:30 PM
> *Subject:* [f_minor] book
>
> a " must have " book for all gouldians : " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN
> GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO , by helen mesaros. and , believe
> me, i've got them all. this volume is a veritable treasury of minutiae.
> i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there
> to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the
> most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the
> beethoven 5. enjoy!
> ------------------------------
>
>
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks sounds interesting.
Peter in Seattle




Subject: [f_minor] book
Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 1:30 AM






a  " must have " book for all gouldians :    " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO ,   by helen mesaros.  and , believe  me, i've got them all.  this volume is  a veritable treasury of minutiae. i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the beethoven 5.   enjoy! 

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as i am probably older
than many of you
MM class of 1972
i am thrilled to hear
of the outer directions members
of the f minor group
are going
i dont quite know what
melynda means but
i suggest that it was
our digression into
the newest "alternative" music
& whether or not GG would
have liked it
i found it stimulating
exciting & highly motivating
to learn more about it
so thank you whomever
posted the the non-electronic
varesian orchestral
non-instrumental music
we as musicians cannot stand still
remember
glenn gould was as much hated
as loved
by his interpretations of bach
lynne ittleman

On 28 June 2010 12:52, Melynda Szabototh <> wrote:

> Hi to whoever is the organizer of this list,
> Could you please remove me from the list? I had unsubscribed some time ago,
> I guess before the change in management
> Thank you
> Melynda
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:33 PM, <> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much for the explnation.
>> Fred
>>
>> --- On *Mon, 6/28/10, michael macelletti <>*wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: michael macelletti <>
>> Subject: Re: [f_minor] book
>> To: "Robert Merkin" <>, "Discussion of the Canadian
>> pianist Glenn Gould." <>, "gail paynter" <
>> >
>> Date: Monday, June 28, 2010, 7:53 AM
>>
>> sorry about getting a little excited about the word haptic, but it does
>> seem to provide the missing term which describes the type of memory which
>> most pianists use. ( and often with disastrous results ! ) and i'm happy
>> to say, bob, that mr webster would totally agree with you is his fine book.
>> no difference to him either. but , if i might be excused for a little
>> personal interpretation, there may be a great difference. the term tactile
>> seems to have been sullied by previous use, it's connection with the " feel
>> " of , say, a fabric or smooth piano keys. ( providing they aren't worn
>> ivories ! ). haptic, on the other hand, happily ( sorry about that )
>> because of it's lack of familiarity, can easily make the bridge between
>> touch and mind to my way of thinking. it even sounds psychological
>> ! i mentioned the disaster that can result in using this type of
>> memory for a concert. it's always a temptation to rely upon it because
>> most pianists will find that they can play a sonata without music ( and
>> without mind !! ) in just a few months. then they try to play it for a jury
>> exam or recital, they start to " think " about the connections, and lo and
>> behold, all is lost. their hand memory, or haptic memory was an illusion.
>> and they slink away in disgrace.
>> i have a feeling that gg relied upon this type of memory to a certain
>> extent, in addition to his using great additional analytical skills. this
>> might explain his shaking in bed on the afternoon before a evening concert.
>> ( i mean, there are rather more than a few unnatural memory spots in the
>> goldberg, as anybody would admit who plays it ) it might also explain why
>> he used the loud vacuum cleaner to distract his mind temporally so that he
>> could get through the ascending sixths passage in the last movement ( var 5
>> ) of op 109. ( when suddenly, one day, he couldn't play it ! )
>> well, just a little digression on a day when it's honestly too hot in
>> connecticut to do anything but think and then bother the f minors. stay
>> cool if you happen to be on the unfortunate side of the equator.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Robert Merkin <>
>> *To:* Discussion of the Canadian pianist Glenn Gould. <
>> >
>> *Sent:* Sun, June 27, 2010 11:39:10 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [f_minor] book
>>
>> *Thanks for the cool new word! But ... how does "haptic" differ from
>> "tactile"?*
>> **
>> *Bob*
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* michael macelletti
>> *To:* ; gail
>> paynter
>> *Sent:* Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:30 PM
>> *Subject:* [f_minor] book
>>
>> a " must have " book for all gouldians : " BRAVO FORTISSIMO " GLENN
>> GOULD , THE MIND OF A CANADIAN VIRTUOSO , by helen mesaros. and , believe
>> me, i've got them all. this volume is a veritable treasury of minutiae.
>> i.e. where and when did he practice on the nassau trip. ( and who was there
>> to witness it. ) , where was he when his teacher died, what bothered him the
>> most about retirement. the word, haptic ( i never saw it before! ) and the
>> beethoven 5. enjoy!
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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