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From: aslml- [mailto:aslml-] On Behalf Of Alex Key
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 12:10 AM
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Cc: Jim Waterhouse
Subject: Re: [Aslml] Open top AFVs
T.Mike,
Thanks...I understand about the construction of WWII AFVs. The OT AFV
crew has to be CE in order to fireAAMG, rail-mounted MGs, FTs, etc.,
just like their CT AFV brethren(though there are some exceptions). And
passengers of OT AFVs have to be CE [with at least one exception] to
fire their inherent small arms and (limited) SW.
That's not what is being questioned.
The question is: Why must the crew of an OT AFV be CE in order to fire
the Main Armament? [for the sake of this argument, don't include
halftracks though there may be a few ht whose crew could fire the MA
without exposing themselves]
For OT tank destroyers, SP assault guns, etc., you don't aim the MA by
looking over the top of the front or side wall....the gunner looks
through the sight _inside_ the AFV. I believe some AFVs had a
TC-controlled sighting/firing system which could override the gunner's
controls.
The mechanics for sighting and firing the MA and CMG in the M10 TD are
basically the same as that for the M4 Sherman but the M10 must be CE to
fire its MA and CMG. IMHO, the M10 (or rather, its crew) is penalized
rather severely because it's topless.
To paraphrase my gaming buddy, Jim: The OT AFV crew should have their
day in the sun....unless NVR or adverse weather is in effect. [It's
good that he has a great sense of humor....it gets him through the bleak
gaming spells. ~8>) See ya Sunday, Jim!]
Thanks also to everyone else for all the on-line and off-line messages.
Alex
On 5/26/2011 3:16 PM, wrote:
> Personally I think it is a rules acknowledgement of the way the open-top
> vehicles of WWII were constructed. The machineguns and such were mounted
> on the top of the side-walls in, for example, half-tracks. The crew had
> to stand up to man these weapons, exposing the upper half of their bodies.
> Passengers who wanted to fire their personal weapons also had to stand up
> typically, and again this exposed the upper body. Generally these type
> vehicles did not provide firing ports for these weapons. Thus, if the
> crew was "BU", they couldn't see out nor aim to fire. If they were "CE"
> to fire, they were standing up and partially exposed.
>
> Here's a URL that show's an example of this...
>
> http://die-cast-army.over-blog.com/4-categorie-10308566.html
>
> It's a picture of a model of a German Hanomag somebody built, but it shows
> what I'm describing above pretty well.
>
> Hope that answers your question.
> -T.Mike
>
>
>
>> On May 25, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Alex Key<> wrote:
>>
>> Besides it saying so in the rules, what is the reason why open top AFVs
> be CE to fire the main armament?
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Subject: Re: [Aslml] Open top AFVs
Personally I think it is a rules acknowledgement of the way the open-top
vehicles of WWII were constructed. The machineguns and such were mounted
on the top of the side-walls in, for example, half-tracks. The crew had
to stand up to man these weapons, exposing the upper half of their bodies.
Passengers who wanted to fire their personal weapons also had to stand up
typically, and again this exposed the upper body. Generally these type
vehicles did not provide firing ports for these weapons. Thus, if the
crew was "BU", they couldn't see out nor aim to fire. If they were "CE"
to fire, they were standing up and partially exposed.
Here's a URL that show's an example of this...
http://die-cast-army.over-blog.com/4-categorie-10308566.html
It's a picture of a model of a German Hanomag somebody built, but it shows
what I'm describing above pretty well.
Hope that answers your question.
-T.Mike
> On May 25, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Alex Key <> wrote:
>
> Besides it saying so in the rules, what is the reason why open top AFVs
be CE to fire the main armament?
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