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14-05-2011 08:25 PM
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-----Original Message-----
From: aslml- [mailto:aslml-] On Behalf Of charlie schindler
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:04 PM
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Subject: [Aslml] [ASL] C8.31

Hi all

Can a unit in woods be attacked by a BAZ? (no rubble, wall, building etc
in there, just woods).
My opponent pointed out that he can using HE equivalency.
My understanding, that BAZ uses always HEAT, but for resolution against
infantry HE equivalency is used. Thus infantry can be attacked by a BAZ
only if in building, rubble, behind wall, pillbox.

What is correct?
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14-05-2011 11:30 PM
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Charlie

The little table in C8.31 shows that BAZ are one of the weapons that use
HEAT type ammunition to be effective, and that it's heat Ammunition is the
equivalent of 8fp when it does so
And the same rule section directly above says that HEAT can be only be fired
at a VEHICLE or GUN or at INFANTRY/CAVALRY receiving a
WALL/BUILDING/RUBBLE/PILLBOX TEM (emphasis is mine !). So yes you are
totally correct you can shoot you Baz at infantry all you like --- Provided
they are in or behind and claiming WALL/BUILDING/RUBBLE/PILLBOX tem

Hope this helps

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Subject: [Aslx] FW: [Aslml] [ASL] C8.31



-----Original Message-----
From: aslml- [mailto:aslml-]
On Behalf Of charlie schindler
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:04 PM
To: ASL Discussion List
Subject: [Aslml] [ASL] C8.31

Hi all

Can a unit in woods be attacked by a BAZ? (no rubble, wall, building etc
in there, just woods).
My opponent pointed out that he can using HE equivalency.
My understanding, that BAZ uses always HEAT, but for resolution against
infantry HE equivalency is used. Thus infantry can be attacked by a BAZ
only if in building, rubble, behind wall, pillbox.

What is correct?
--

with kind regards

dr. charlie schindler
--
Microsoft is not the answer.
Microsoft is the question.
The answer is no.

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15-05-2011 07:54 PM
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-----Original Message-----
From: aslml- [mailto:aslml-] On Behalf Of Jon Cole
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 12:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [Aslml] [ASL] C8.31


> the opponent now muses, that he is attacking the gun not the crew.
> does this change anything?

He is allowed to target the Gun with HEAT from the BAZ. See C8.31 "HEAT may
only be fired at a...Gun.."

Also C11.51 "HEAT destroys a Gun using the same mechanics as an HE Hit,
except that it uses HE equivalency (C8.31)

As a result, the gun cre4w will also possibly be affected, assuming the crew
is possessing the Gun

As an example, lets assume a BAZ 45 firing at an emplaced, small target size
gun and crew at a range of 2 hexes.

TH# for BAZ45 at 2 hex range is 9, TH DRMs are +2 Gun emplacement, +1 small
target

A TH DR of 1,1 (a Critical Hit) destroys both gun and crew [C11.4]
An original TH DR of 7 or more will be a miss.

However, lets say the Original TH DR was 3, 2; with the +3 TH DRM the Final
TH DR is an 8 so the BAZ obtains a Hit
A DR is now made on the IFT to determine the effect on Gun and crew. This
will be with 8FP, the HE Equivalency of the BAZ

If the Final DR (prior to applying any Gunshield DRM) is a KIA, this is a
Direct Hit and the Gun and and its manning crew are destroyed..

If the Final DR (prior to applying any Gunshield DRM) is a K#, this is a
Direct Hit and the Gun is Malfunctioned and the manning crew suffer Casualty
Reduction.

If the IFT DR (prior to applying any Gunshield DRM) does not result in a
Direct Hit, then a Near Miss has resulted, and the +2 Gunshield DRM (if the
Gun has a Gunshield) is applied to the IFT DR to determine the effect on the
crew

So lets say the IFT DR of the 8FP attack was 4,1. The Original DR is not a
KIA or K# result, so it is not a Direct Hit. It is a near miss and the +2
Gunshield DRM is applied to make the Final IFT DR a 7, which means the crew
takes a 1MC. If the Gun did not have a Gunshield, or the attack was from
outside the Gun CA and so Gunshield is NA, the there is no modification of
the IFT attack so the original DR of 4,1 is also the Final DR. This is
sstill a near miss, but now the crew takes a 2MC

See C11.4 to C11.51



Cheers
Jon


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