N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
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)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)
I'm sure that if I do away with the antistaminics for a while I'll have no
trouble beating you at the scratch class....
P



>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] Em
>nome de Crawford Neil
>Enviada: terça-feira, 21 de Junho de 2011 07:52
>Para: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
>Assunto: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
>
>
>> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.
>
>The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
>No problems there
>
>
>
>It's said that the
>> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
>> Pedro. These
>> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>>
>>
>
>Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
>Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
>Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
>Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
>/Neil


)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

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)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)
I'm sure that if I do away with the antistaminics for a while I'll have no
trouble beating you at the scratch class....
P



>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] Em
>nome de Crawford Neil
>Enviada: terça-feira, 21 de Junho de 2011 07:52
>Para: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
>Assunto: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
>
>
>> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.
>
>The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
>No problems there
>
>
>
>It's said that the
>> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
>> Pedro. These
>> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>>
>>
>
>Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
>Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
>Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
>Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
>/Neil


)
N!
Good grief, I've missed this so far!
Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set. Are the sides
flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

> The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need to get them to
> fit
> the fuselage first, before I can do that.

Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage of the fuselage
had snub wings that met the vertical root rib? For a practical point of
view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across the fuselage,
but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What about a brass
tube spar?
BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root with more
chord than the rest of the wing. Do you now why was that?
D.

)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
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)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)
I'm sure that if I do away with the antistaminics for a while I'll have no
trouble beating you at the scratch class....
P



>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] Em
>nome de Crawford Neil
>Enviada: terça-feira, 21 de Junho de 2011 07:52
>Para: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
>Assunto: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
>
>
>> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.
>
>The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
>No problems there
>
>
>
>It's said that the
>> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
>> Pedro. These
>> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>>
>>
>
>Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
>Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
>Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
>Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
>/Neil


)
N!
Good grief, I've missed this so far!
Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set. Are the sides
flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

> The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need to get them to
> fit
> the fuselage first, before I can do that.

Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage of the fuselage
had snub wings that met the vertical root rib? For a practical point of
view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across the fuselage,
but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What about a brass
tube spar?
BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root with more
chord than the rest of the wing. Do you now why was that?
D.

)

> N!
> Good grief, I've missed this so far!
> Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set.
> Are the sides
> flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly concave, so I've
made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the wooden
monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.
It's one of the interesting things that Anders Bruun found when he did the drawings,
that if you make sure you're always looking at the correct #19 (there were two)
the one that actually won the Coupe Schneider was less streamlined and a simpler shape,
the same applies to the cowling. This #19 was the reserve plane, that they threw it in
when all the more streamlined Deps, and the Nieuports had retired for various reasons.


>
> > The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need
> to get them to
> > fit
> > the fuselage first, before I can do that.
>
> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
> of the fuselage

I guess so.




> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?


Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.


For a
> practical point of
> view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across
> the fuselage,
> but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What
> about a brass
> tube spar?

Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.
The front spar goes between my multi-coloured spacer and the engine cowling,
I guess the engine hangs on it somehow, and the front float struts. I haven't
quite worked it all out yet, so I'm going to have to proceed cautiously so
I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.




> BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root
> with more
> chord than the rest of the wing.

Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
serious I can perhaps fix it.



Do you now why was that?
> D.
>
>

Maybe like wash-out, to help against tip-stall, but the other way round (sort-of)
remember it's a wing-warper so wash-out is more or less built in!

Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.
/Neil




)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)
I'm sure that if I do away with the antistaminics for a while I'll have no
trouble beating you at the scratch class....
P



>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] Em
>nome de Crawford Neil
>Enviada: terça-feira, 21 de Junho de 2011 07:52
>Para: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
>Assunto: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
>
>
>> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.
>
>The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
>No problems there
>
>
>
>It's said that the
>> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
>> Pedro. These
>> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>>
>>
>
>Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
>Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
>Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
>Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
>/Neil


)
N!
Good grief, I've missed this so far!
Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set. Are the sides
flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

> The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need to get them to
> fit
> the fuselage first, before I can do that.

Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage of the fuselage
had snub wings that met the vertical root rib? For a practical point of
view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across the fuselage,
but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What about a brass
tube spar?
BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root with more
chord than the rest of the wing. Do you now why was that?
D.

)

> N!
> Good grief, I've missed this so far!
> Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set.
> Are the sides
> flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly concave, so I've
made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the wooden
monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.
It's one of the interesting things that Anders Bruun found when he did the drawings,
that if you make sure you're always looking at the correct #19 (there were two)
the one that actually won the Coupe Schneider was less streamlined and a simpler shape,
the same applies to the cowling. This #19 was the reserve plane, that they threw it in
when all the more streamlined Deps, and the Nieuports had retired for various reasons.


>
> > The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need
> to get them to
> > fit
> > the fuselage first, before I can do that.
>
> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
> of the fuselage

I guess so.




> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?


Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.


For a
> practical point of
> view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across
> the fuselage,
> but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What
> about a brass
> tube spar?

Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.
The front spar goes between my multi-coloured spacer and the engine cowling,
I guess the engine hangs on it somehow, and the front float struts. I haven't
quite worked it all out yet, so I'm going to have to proceed cautiously so
I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.




> BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root
> with more
> chord than the rest of the wing.

Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
serious I can perhaps fix it.



Do you now why was that?
> D.
>
>

Maybe like wash-out, to help against tip-stall, but the other way round (sort-of)
remember it's a wing-warper so wash-out is more or less built in!

Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.
/Neil




)
N!
> The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly
> concave, so I've
> made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the
> wooden
> monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.

They're so complicated! That's what fascinates me about Deps.

>> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
>> of the fuselage
> I guess so.

Then much like the 1913 monocoque.

>> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?
> Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
> also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.

I thought this might be a possibility since the undercarriage and the float
struts were so different, perhaps that showed a change in the way the wings
were attached to the fuselage.

> Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
> where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
> this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.

I bet that's enough for 1/72!

> I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.

Good!

> Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
> make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
> as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
> serious I can perhaps fix it.

I wasn't clear. I meant that the root ribs were larger than the rest, and
protruding at the leading edges quite a bit. I think that maybe they did
this to have a sturdier wing attachment, but it seems like a weird solution.

> Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.

"What's brown and sounds like a bell?"
D.

)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
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)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)
I'm sure that if I do away with the antistaminics for a while I'll have no
trouble beating you at the scratch class....
P



>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] Em
>nome de Crawford Neil
>Enviada: terça-feira, 21 de Junho de 2011 07:52
>Para: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
>Assunto: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
>
>
>> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.
>
>The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
>No problems there
>
>
>
>It's said that the
>> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
>> Pedro. These
>> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>>
>>
>
>Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
>Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
>Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
>Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
>/Neil


)
N!
Good grief, I've missed this so far!
Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set. Are the sides
flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

> The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need to get them to
> fit
> the fuselage first, before I can do that.

Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage of the fuselage
had snub wings that met the vertical root rib? For a practical point of
view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across the fuselage,
but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What about a brass
tube spar?
BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root with more
chord than the rest of the wing. Do you now why was that?
D.

)

> N!
> Good grief, I've missed this so far!
> Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set.
> Are the sides
> flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly concave, so I've
made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the wooden
monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.
It's one of the interesting things that Anders Bruun found when he did the drawings,
that if you make sure you're always looking at the correct #19 (there were two)
the one that actually won the Coupe Schneider was less streamlined and a simpler shape,
the same applies to the cowling. This #19 was the reserve plane, that they threw it in
when all the more streamlined Deps, and the Nieuports had retired for various reasons.


>
> > The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need
> to get them to
> > fit
> > the fuselage first, before I can do that.
>
> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
> of the fuselage

I guess so.




> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?


Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.


For a
> practical point of
> view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across
> the fuselage,
> but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What
> about a brass
> tube spar?

Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.
The front spar goes between my multi-coloured spacer and the engine cowling,
I guess the engine hangs on it somehow, and the front float struts. I haven't
quite worked it all out yet, so I'm going to have to proceed cautiously so
I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.




> BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root
> with more
> chord than the rest of the wing.

Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
serious I can perhaps fix it.



Do you now why was that?
> D.
>
>

Maybe like wash-out, to help against tip-stall, but the other way round (sort-of)
remember it's a wing-warper so wash-out is more or less built in!

Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.
/Neil




)
N!
> The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly
> concave, so I've
> made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the
> wooden
> monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.

They're so complicated! That's what fascinates me about Deps.

>> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
>> of the fuselage
> I guess so.

Then much like the 1913 monocoque.

>> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?
> Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
> also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.

I thought this might be a possibility since the undercarriage and the float
struts were so different, perhaps that showed a change in the way the wings
were attached to the fuselage.

> Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
> where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
> this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.

I bet that's enough for 1/72!

> I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.

Good!

> Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
> make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
> as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
> serious I can perhaps fix it.

I wasn't clear. I meant that the root ribs were larger than the rest, and
protruding at the leading edges quite a bit. I think that maybe they did
this to have a sturdier wing attachment, but it seems like a weird solution.

> Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.

"What's brown and sounds like a bell?"
D.

)
>
> I wasn't clear. I meant that the root ribs were larger than
> the rest, and
> protruding at the leading edges quite a bit. I think that
> maybe they did
> this to have a sturdier wing attachment, but it seems like a
> weird solution.


OK, now I understand, thats the bit I have done.......relief!
Could it be to keep the spray of castor oil away from the pilot?
And in the floatplane versions it should reduce water spray?
In what way would it make it stronger? It's really only a stub,
the wing spars are in the same place I think.
/Neil


)

N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

)
> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
)
N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

)

> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
)
N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
)
The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

--
Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir
belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
)
>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

)
> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)
I'm sure that if I do away with the antistaminics for a while I'll have no
trouble beating you at the scratch class....
P



>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] Em
>nome de Crawford Neil
>Enviada: terça-feira, 21 de Junho de 2011 07:52
>Para: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
>Assunto: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
>
>
>> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.
>
>The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
>No problems there
>
>
>
>It's said that the
>> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
>> Pedro. These
>> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>>
>>
>
>Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
>Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
>Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
>Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
>/Neil


)
N!
Good grief, I've missed this so far!
Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set. Are the sides
flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

> The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need to get them to
> fit
> the fuselage first, before I can do that.

Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage of the fuselage
had snub wings that met the vertical root rib? For a practical point of
view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across the fuselage,
but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What about a brass
tube spar?
BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root with more
chord than the rest of the wing. Do you now why was that?
D.

)

> N!
> Good grief, I've missed this so far!
> Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set.
> Are the sides
> flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly concave, so I've
made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the wooden
monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.
It's one of the interesting things that Anders Bruun found when he did the drawings,
that if you make sure you're always looking at the correct #19 (there were two)
the one that actually won the Coupe Schneider was less streamlined and a simpler shape,
the same applies to the cowling. This #19 was the reserve plane, that they threw it in
when all the more streamlined Deps, and the Nieuports had retired for various reasons.


>
> > The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need
> to get them to
> > fit
> > the fuselage first, before I can do that.
>
> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
> of the fuselage

I guess so.




> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?


Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.


For a
> practical point of
> view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across
> the fuselage,
> but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What
> about a brass
> tube spar?

Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.
The front spar goes between my multi-coloured spacer and the engine cowling,
I guess the engine hangs on it somehow, and the front float struts. I haven't
quite worked it all out yet, so I'm going to have to proceed cautiously so
I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.




> BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root
> with more
> chord than the rest of the wing.

Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
serious I can perhaps fix it.



Do you now why was that?
> D.
>
>

Maybe like wash-out, to help against tip-stall, but the other way round (sort-of)
remember it's a wing-warper so wash-out is more or less built in!

Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.
/Neil




)
N!
> The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly
> concave, so I've
> made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the
> wooden
> monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.

They're so complicated! That's what fascinates me about Deps.

>> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
>> of the fuselage
> I guess so.

Then much like the 1913 monocoque.

>> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?
> Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
> also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.

I thought this might be a possibility since the undercarriage and the float
struts were so different, perhaps that showed a change in the way the wings
were attached to the fuselage.

> Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
> where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
> this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.

I bet that's enough for 1/72!

> I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.

Good!

> Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
> make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
> as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
> serious I can perhaps fix it.

I wasn't clear. I meant that the root ribs were larger than the rest, and
protruding at the leading edges quite a bit. I think that maybe they did
this to have a sturdier wing attachment, but it seems like a weird solution.

> Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.

"What's brown and sounds like a bell?"
D.

)
>
> I wasn't clear. I meant that the root ribs were larger than
> the rest, and
> protruding at the leading edges quite a bit. I think that
> maybe they did
> this to have a sturdier wing attachment, but it seems like a
> weird solution.


OK, now I understand, thats the bit I have done.......relief!
Could it be to keep the spray of castor oil away from the pilot?
And in the floatplane versions it should reduce water spray?
In what way would it make it stronger? It's really only a stub,
the wing spars are in the same place I think.
/Neil


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N!
> OK, now I understand, thats the bit I have done.......relief!
> Could it be to keep the spray of castor oil away from the pilot?

Perhaps? I've seen a few GOOD pictures ofd the monocoque 1913 racer and they
show that the oil runneth along the fuselage side and seeped by the edges of
the cowl. Those airplanes must have been breezy and very very slippery!

> And in the floatplane versions it should reduce water spray?
> In what way would it make it stronger? It's really only a stub,
> the wing spars are in the same place I think.

Perhaps it's to reinforce that area. After all, it seems like the fuselage
tail was the weakest part of the airframe!
D.

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N!
> Thanks D, I imagine so, there are no photos , so I will have to
> guesstimate.

Fun time!

> I haven't got that far yet. Is there a photo of the Fokker EIV engine
> mounting? It might be worth copying.

IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in several other
books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to any pic of that
on the net.

> Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in an ingenious
> fashion.

Careful with all that CA glue!

> Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.

Such as Sweden.

> I've started, but I need a few more failures for a complete cowling.

Good! Keep on failing.

> Btw. it's quite complicated, and not at all as nice looking as some
> drawings, Anders Bruun has spent a lot of effort
> investigating the cooling gaps around the rear
> and underneath, theres more to that than meets the eye.

Damned Deprdussins. No wonder why the guy got in jail.
D.

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> IIRC there are a few on the Fokker E.IV mini datafile, and in
> several other
> books about the Fokker monoplanes. Sadly, I have no link to
> any pic of that
> on the net.

Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
probably close enough. Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
look at a Deperdussin B


>
> > Yes, several times, and then glue the failures together in
> an ingenious
> > fashion.
>
> Careful with all that CA glue!
>


The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use Britfix 77!
Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!


> > Sand-paper and glue is wonderful stuff.
>
> Such as Sweden.

Everyone knows that!
/Neil

>
>
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N!
> Thanks for the idea D, I'll look at my Fokker EIII references, it's
> probably close enough.

Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The E.III had one of
those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.

> Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> look at a Deperdussin B

Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.

> The nice thing with crash moulding is that it's all plastic, I can use
> Britfix 77!
> Btw. my spray-box has solved the CA problem, it's a gift from the gods!

Damn. The gods never gave me nothing but a crappy keychain.

>> Such as Sweden.
>
> Everyone knows that!

Of course.
D.

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> Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> E.III had one of
> those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
>
> > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > look at a Deperdussin B
>
> Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
>

Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
be the same just beefed up.
/Neil
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N!
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.

Who would know for sure?
D.
)
Good, I can do how I like!
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 12 maj 2011 16:34
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> N!
> > Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> > be the same just beefed up.
>
> Who would know for sure?
> D.
>
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The doubel row rotarys needed a more reinforced mount than the single row engines. Especially the increased depth made it necessary to have a mount at the front site of the engine too.

There is a good picture of the 14 cyl. engine mount at a Pfalz E.IV in the WS Datafile 59.

/Wolfram


-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:31:55 +0200
> Von: Crawford Neil <>
> An: "\'World War I Modeling Mailing List\'" <>
> Betreff: Re: [WWI] Dep progress

>
> > Not E.III, but the E.IV, that used a double row engine. The
> > E.III had one of
> > those single row jobbies, very run-of-the-mill.
> >
> > > Or perhaps an even better idea would be to
> > > look at a Deperdussin B
> >
> > Inderdaad. IIRC the Deperdussin TT had a just single row rotary.
> >
>
> Would it make a difference do you think? I was thinking it would
> be the same just beefed up.
> /Neil

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>
it doesn't
need to be finished till Telford 2012 for the traditional Pedro&Shane
bashing.
/Neil broken bottle...........Paul.

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> I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,

You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?

> or a broken bottle...........

Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly after these
gentlemen gather.
D.
Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of Pedro. These
Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 20 juni 2011 18:32
> To:
> Subject: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
> > I admire your dedication. Most people would use a simple club,
>
> You mean like Tottemham Hotspur FC?
>
> > or a broken bottle...........
>
> Use some of the several empty ones littered about briefly
> after these
> gentlemen gather.
> D.
> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard. It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>
)

> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.

The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
No problems there



It's said that the
> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
> Pedro. These
> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>
>

Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
/Neil
)
I'm sure that if I do away with the antistaminics for a while I'll have no
trouble beating you at the scratch class....
P



>-----Mensagem original-----
>De: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] Em
>nome de Crawford Neil
>Enviada: terça-feira, 21 de Junho de 2011 07:52
>Para: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
>Assunto: Re: [WWI] Dep progress
>
>
>
>> Shane seems to be a quite tall grumpy b+stard.
>
>The key word here is "seems", he's not, he's actually a wimp.
>No problems there
>
>
>
>It's said that the
>> bigger trees are those who fall harder... also, beware of
>> Pedro. These
>> Mexicans are full of dirty tricks.
>>
>>
>
>Now here you have a good point, Pedro really is a tricky b**st*rd.
>Just when you think he's sorted, he goes and wins another class.
>Luckily he has problems in the scratch class, so I'll go for the
>Pedro bashing in that class, or like Paul said.......a boken bottle!
>/Neil


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N!
Good grief, I've missed this so far!
Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set. Are the sides
flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

> The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need to get them to
> fit
> the fuselage first, before I can do that.

Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage of the fuselage
had snub wings that met the vertical root rib? For a practical point of
view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across the fuselage,
but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What about a brass
tube spar?
BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root with more
chord than the rest of the wing. Do you now why was that?
D.

)

> N!
> Good grief, I've missed this so far!
> Nice work Neil. I see that the rear of the fuselage is set.
> Are the sides
> flat plasticard, right? Interesting to see this composite surface!

The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly concave, so I've
made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the wooden
monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.
It's one of the interesting things that Anders Bruun found when he did the drawings,
that if you make sure you're always looking at the correct #19 (there were two)
the one that actually won the Coupe Schneider was less streamlined and a simpler shape,
the same applies to the cowling. This #19 was the reserve plane, that they threw it in
when all the more streamlined Deps, and the Nieuports had retired for various reasons.


>
> > The wings will be skinned with thin plasticard, but I need
> to get them to
> > fit
> > the fuselage first, before I can do that.
>
> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
> of the fuselage

I guess so.




> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?


Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.


For a
> practical point of
> view, it's always desirable to have them in one piece across
> the fuselage,
> but I think that in this case it might be impractical. What
> about a brass
> tube spar?

Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.
The front spar goes between my multi-coloured spacer and the engine cowling,
I guess the engine hangs on it somehow, and the front float struts. I haven't
quite worked it all out yet, so I'm going to have to proceed cautiously so
I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.




> BTW, those leading edges of the Deperdussin racers had a root
> with more
> chord than the rest of the wing.

Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
serious I can perhaps fix it.



Do you now why was that?
> D.
>
>

Maybe like wash-out, to help against tip-stall, but the other way round (sort-of)
remember it's a wing-warper so wash-out is more or less built in!

Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.
/Neil




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N!
> The rear fuselage sides on this one were in fact flat, and slightly
> concave, so I've
> made a gradual transition from round to flat by making the rear of the
> wooden
> monocoque flatter, and then building up mith milliput, to smooth it off.

They're so complicated! That's what fascinates me about Deps.

>> Were the roots angled to meet the curvature of the fuselage
>> of the fuselage
> I guess so.

Then much like the 1913 monocoque.

>> had snub wings that met the vertical root rib?
> Yes somehow, this part is all a bit vague at present, but it's
> also why I had to do the cowlings before carrying on with the wings.

I thought this might be a possibility since the undercarriage and the float
struts were so different, perhaps that showed a change in the way the wings
were attached to the fuselage.

> Yes, except I prefer steel piano wire, I have one hole in the fuselage
> where the wire goes through, it's craftily disguised by a wooden spar,
> this spar is also visible outside the cockpit at the trailing edge.

I bet that's enough for 1/72!

> I don't glue it all up before everything is connected.

Good!

> Now you tell me! I didn't actually know that, but I guess it won't
> make much difference in 1/72. It's also possible that this one didn't
> as I saw nothing like that on photos, I shall check again and if it's
> serious I can perhaps fix it.

I wasn't clear. I meant that the root ribs were larger than the rest, and
protruding at the leading edges quite a bit. I think that maybe they did
this to have a sturdier wing attachment, but it seems like a weird solution.

> Thanks for your comments D, they're always valuable.

"What's brown and sounds like a bell?"
D.

)
>
> I wasn't clear. I meant that the root ribs were larger than
> the rest, and
> protruding at the leading edges quite a bit. I think that
> maybe they did
> this to have a sturdier wing attachment, but it seems like a
> weird solution.


OK, now I understand, thats the bit I have done.......relief!
Could it be to keep the spray of castor oil away from the pilot?
And in the floatplane versions it should reduce water spray?
In what way would it make it stronger? It's really only a stub,
the wing spars are in the same place I think.
/Neil


)
N!
> OK, now I understand, thats the bit I have done.......relief!
> Could it be to keep the spray of castor oil away from the pilot?

Perhaps? I've seen a few GOOD pictures ofd the monocoque 1913 racer and they
show that the oil runneth along the fuselage side and seeped by the edges of
the cowl. Those airplanes must have been breezy and very very slippery!

> And in the floatplane versions it should reduce water spray?
> In what way would it make it stronger? It's really only a stub,
> the wing spars are in the same place I think.

Perhaps it's to reinforce that area. After all, it seems like the fuselage
tail was the weakest part of the airframe!
D.

)
N!
> I don't use a hairbrush, or a comb.

How do you keep your 'fro, bro?

> But I still use my magnetic holders for brush painted parts.
> They are very useful.

I use blu-Tack for the tiny parts (still have the stuff you sent me years
ago, Dave!) and clothespins for the bigger stuff.
D.

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