Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

Enjoy, Joe
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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

Enjoy, Joe
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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

Enjoy, Joe
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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

Enjoy, Joe
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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>From: Ron Cook
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>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

Enjoy, Joe
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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>>
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

Enjoy, Joe
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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>>
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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From: Charlie V
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:28 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


-----Original Message-----
>From: charlie hill <>
>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>>
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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From: Charlie V
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:28 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel


>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

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Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
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>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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From: Charlie V
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To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel


>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
>
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>>
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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From: Charlie V
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 10:28 PM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II. When I
reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had just
finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene. Wainwright was laid
down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966. Black oil was used in virtually all
the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
until the early 1970's. I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.

Bill Bruer

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel


>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II. When I
reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had just
finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene. Wainwright was laid
down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966. Black oil was used in virtually all
the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
until the early 1970's. I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.

Bill Bruer

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
$.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
requirement.

Charlie

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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:36 AM
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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II. When I
reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had just
finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene. Wainwright was laid
down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966. Black oil was used in virtually all
the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
until the early 1970's. I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.

Bill Bruer

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
$.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
requirement.

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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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Here's some good news guys. A friend of mine's daughter and SIL own a
small country store a couple of hundred miles from here. She called him
this morning and said here wholesale gasoline price dropped $.50 per gallon
this morning. I sure hope that is happening everywhere.

Charlie

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose.
> Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and
> winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II. When I
reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had just
finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene. Wainwright was laid
down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966. Black oil was used in virtually all
the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
until the early 1970's. I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.

Bill Bruer

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
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>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
$.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
requirement.

Charlie

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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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Here's some good news guys. A friend of mine's daughter and SIL own a
small country store a couple of hundred miles from here. She called him
this morning and said here wholesale gasoline price dropped $.50 per gallon
this morning. I sure hope that is happening everywhere.

Charlie

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose.
> Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and
> winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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According to this the Bunker C I mentioned is the same as #6.

http://www.labo-analytika.com/html/bunker_c_spec.html

Charlie

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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel


>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel


>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II. When I
reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had just
finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene. Wainwright was laid
down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966. Black oil was used in virtually all
the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
until the early 1970's. I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.

Bill Bruer

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
$.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
requirement.

Charlie

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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

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> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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Here's some good news guys. A friend of mine's daughter and SIL own a
small country store a couple of hundred miles from here. She called him
this morning and said here wholesale gasoline price dropped $.50 per gallon
this morning. I sure hope that is happening everywhere.

Charlie

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose.
> Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and
> winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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According to this the Bunker C I mentioned is the same as #6.

http://www.labo-analytika.com/html/bunker_c_spec.html

Charlie

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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
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I was told by the distributor that delivered fuel to our trucks that diesel was diesel, and heating oil could be anything from untaxed diesel to bunker fuel. It all depended on source, use, geography, timing, supply, etc. Here in NC most heating fuel is just untaxed #2.

Anecdotal information to be sure, but readily explains the occasional complaints like yours that I have heard.

Spencer

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>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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> Enjoy, Joe
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II. When I
reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had just
finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene. Wainwright was laid
down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966. Black oil was used in virtually all
the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
until the early 1970's. I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.

Bill Bruer

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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
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>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
$.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
requirement.

Charlie

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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



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anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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Here's some good news guys. A friend of mine's daughter and SIL own a
small country store a couple of hundred miles from here. She called him
this morning and said here wholesale gasoline price dropped $.50 per gallon
this morning. I sure hope that is happening everywhere.

Charlie

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose.
> Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and
> winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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According to this the Bunker C I mentioned is the same as #6.

http://www.labo-analytika.com/html/bunker_c_spec.html

Charlie

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To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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I was told by the distributor that delivered fuel to our trucks that diesel was diesel, and heating oil could be anything from untaxed diesel to bunker fuel. It all depended on source, use, geography, timing, supply, etc. Here in NC most heating fuel is just untaxed #2.

Anecdotal information to be sure, but readily explains the occasional complaints like yours that I have heard.

Spencer

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>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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There is one store like that near here - the island with highway diesel
also has a non-highway diesel pump. My tractor diesel use is rather
limited so I've been buying in 5 gallon cans. A number operators here
fill their pickup mounted refueling tanks from that pump.

The farmer who leases the pasture here has just set up a tractor diesel
tank here and in a few days I'll also have a key to the lock. I'll
record my gallons pumped and settle up with him. Since I use about 50
gallons a year it never was worth me setting a tank for my use.

David
NW NC



On 5/7/2011 10:56 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
> country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
> like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
> using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
> place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
> drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
> and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
> $.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
> requirement.
>
> Charlie
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Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.

I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.

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I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference?  Here's why I'm asking.  About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap.  I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up.  My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him.  I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much).  Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank.  He said it was full of fuel oil.  After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes.  After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).  Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).  Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>
> Charlie V.
To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.

Ralph in Sask.
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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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Here it's almost the same thing until a couple of years ago it was the same
but now there are so many additives. The big difference is the taxes.

Mattias
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I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina) they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> _______________________________________________

Ralph,

Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
to one of the pieces I read.

"Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
Fuel Oil is not always the same."


http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm

When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
prevent gel.

Keep the sun shining.
Charlie V.
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As far as I know, around here, home heating oil has always been #2 Fuel oil.
I use diesel fuel in my furnace and from what been told by the oil company
truck drivers it's the same thing but that is here. It might be different in
other places.

Charlie

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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.

Charlie V.

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, <> wrote:
>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I
> mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000
> Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to
> run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last
> week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I
> thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and
> he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into
> it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the
> past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked
> the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25
> gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five
> minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?).
> Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the
> wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either).
> Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old
> tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to
> put into another project.
>
> Enjoy, Joe
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Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.



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Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.

Ron Cook
Salix, IA

On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>
>> Charlie V.
> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
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I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



----- Original Message ----- > To the best of my knowledge, in Canada
anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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Yes, that is the old black oil but it's use didn't end with WW II. When I
reported aboard the USS Wainwright DLG-28 in September of 1971 they had just
finished converting from black oil to JP5 - kerosene. Wainwright was laid
down in 1962 and commissioned in 1966. Black oil was used in virtually all
the steam turbine-driven ships (except nukes, of course) from WW II onward
until the early 1970's. I doubt that any of the WW II era ships were ever
converted before being sold, scrapped, or given away.

Bill Bruer

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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel


I was going to ask about #5---is it what the Navy used for ships during
WWII? I think I have read somewhere (of course I can't remember exactly
which book, but it would almost have to be about the USS North Carolina)
they used something called "Navy special black fuel oil."

Al


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>From: charlie hill <>
>Sent: May 7, 2011 8:20 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ron Cook
>Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
>To: Antique tractor email discussion group
>Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
>Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
>used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
>of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
>tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
>tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
>#5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
>Ron Cook
>Salix, IA
>
>On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
$.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
requirement.

Charlie

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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

Dad uses off-road diesel to heat his house. It is the same stuff I burn in
the tractor. Last fall we had the farm tank and his house tanks filled up at
the same time. They charged him something like $.20-.30 a gallon more. He
refused to pay the price difference and told them to come pump it back out
if they wouldn't adjust the price. so, they made a 30 mile trip to pump it
out. By the way, he had bought 3 times the amount of fuel I had.

John Hall



----- Original Message ----- > To the best of my knowledge, in Canada
anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>
> Ralph in Sask.

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Here's some good news guys. A friend of mine's daughter and SIL own a
small country store a couple of hundred miles from here. She called him
this morning and said here wholesale gasoline price dropped $.50 per gallon
this morning. I sure hope that is happening everywhere.

Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Goff
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 9:47 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

On 5/7/2011 6:24 AM, Gene Dotson wrote:
> I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
> tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose.
> Both
> are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
> diesel, which is kerosene.
>
> #5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
> ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and
> winter
> fuel for locomotives.
>
I've never heard of anything other than #2 and #1 diesel fuel. Memory
fails me which is which but one is regular blend for tractor use in
summer time while the other is the lighter weight for furnaces and
winter use in diesel engines. Summer fuel will not work well (or at all)
in the middle of a Sask. winter. Same applies to furnaces and I have
even heard of the odd occasion of the fuel line to the furnace gelling
up in severe cold. Tanks were usually outside the house. Maybe somebody
dumped some summer diesel in their furnace tank by mistake sometimes.

Ralph in Sask.

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According to this the Bunker C I mentioned is the same as #6.

http://www.labo-analytika.com/html/bunker_c_spec.html

Charlie

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From: Gene Dotson
Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 8:24 AM
To: Antique tractor email discussion group
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel

I heat with fuel oil and have a small tank for diesel fuel for the
tractors. Both oils are #2 diesel and come from the same tank and hose. Both
are dyed for non tax purposes. Winter blend is blended with about 15% #1
diesel, which is kerosene.

#5 oil is used in industrial boilers, railroad locomotives and large
ships. #3 and 4 are mostly small industrial boilers, small ships and winter
fuel for locomotives.

#1 oil, or kerosene is used for lamps, small heaters and fur jet fuel
with additives to prevent icing and improve high altitude performance.

Fuel oil is rated in viscosity with #1 being the thinnest and # 5 being
the heaviest. Most systems using the heavier fuels require preheating for
vaporization. BTU content increases with the heavier fuels.

Gene




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Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel


>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
>> _______________________________________________
>
> Ralph,
>
> Your knowledge is pretty accurate. You caused me to giggle it and do
> some readin. I am not surprised my memory was a tad or two off. Now
> I cannot remember in what context the lower grades were mentioned,
> except to caution against their use as motor fuel. As Ron mentioned
> it seems that at times grades three through six may be used for
> heating oil but it is not the norm. Here is a quote from and a link
> to one of the pieces I read.
>
> "Home Heating Oil is, however, a somewhat generic term, which covers a
> variety of potential products, formulations, and compositions. When
> you purchase your Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil - it is YOUR
> responsibility to insure what the composition and formulation is of
> the Home Heating Oil / Fuel Oil which is being pumped into and/or
> stored within your tank. As previously mentioned, this composition
> can vary for a wide variety of reasons, and all Home Heating Oil /
> Fuel Oil is not always the same."
>
>
> http://www.enviroharvest.ca/dieselvsheating.htm
>
> When I lived in a home that used fuel oil for heat, the supplier
> always loaded it up with #1 during winter even though the tank was in
> the cellar. ??? I guess that must have been standard practice to
> prevent gel.
>
> Keep the sun shining.
> Charlie V.
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I was told by the distributor that delivered fuel to our trucks that diesel was diesel, and heating oil could be anything from untaxed diesel to bunker fuel. It all depended on source, use, geography, timing, supply, etc. Here in NC most heating fuel is just untaxed #2.

Anecdotal information to be sure, but readily explains the occasional complaints like yours that I have heard.

Spencer

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On May 6, 2011, at 21:28, wrote:

>
>
> Is there any difference? Here's why I'm asking. About a year ago I mentioned to the list all the troubles I was having with a Ford 6000 Diesel I had picked up cheap. I tried everything and could not get it to run, or even fire so I had given up. My neighbor asked me about it last week and wondered if I woud sell it to him. I told him everything I thought was wrong with it, made no guarentees that it would ever run and he decided he would like to buy it anyway (I sold it for what I had into it, which wasn't much). Anyway, after he messed around with it for the past week he was about to haul it off to the scrap yard when he checked the fuel tank. He said it was full of fuel oil. After he drained out 25 gallons, he put in Diesel fuel, and had the damm thing running within five minutes. After the smoke cleared, it actually ran pretty good.
>
> I always thought they were the same thing (maybe it was kerosene?). Anyway, I guess the person I got it from must have filled it up with the wrong stuff and that's why he could never get it started (me either). Either way, it runs now and my neighbor got a decent deal on a big old tractor, I got the big ugly thing out of my yard, and got my money back to put into another project.
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There is one store like that near here - the island with highway diesel
also has a non-highway diesel pump. My tractor diesel use is rather
limited so I've been buying in 5 gallon cans. A number operators here
fill their pickup mounted refueling tanks from that pump.

The farmer who leases the pasture here has just set up a tractor diesel
tank here and in a few days I'll also have a key to the lock. I'll
record my gallons pumped and settle up with him. Since I use about 50
gallons a year it never was worth me setting a tank for my use.

David
NW NC



On 5/7/2011 10:56 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> John, there are a couple of convenience stores around here, out in the
> country that have non-highway diesel actually in a pump on an island just
> like their highway diesel and gasoline. They are careful to ask if you are
> using it off road but otherwise you just fill your tanks and pay up. One
> place even takes a credit card at the pump. I have a couple of 55 gal
> drums with stickers on them that say non-highway use only. I just fill them
> and pump them out into my furnace tank with a transfer pump. It's about
> $.30 a gallon cheaper than having it delivered and no minimum purchase
> requirement.
>
> Charlie
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Charlie,
It has been 40 years or so ago, but If my memory is a little correct, I
think you are right. It seems to me that the #5 had to be preheated to
atomize for the burners in the kiln. Bunker fuel is what ships use, is
it not? That is preheated before it goes to the boiler burners, I
think. At any rate, it would not make good diesel fuel.
I buy #1 tractor fuel for my shop heater instead of #1 stove fuel. It
is exactly the same thing as #1 diesel fuel except for the dye and
taxes. Here in Iowa the tractor fuel is not taxed as the home heating
fuel is, and of course has no road tax.

Ron Cook
Salix,IA

On 5/7/2011 7:20 AM, charlie hill wrote:
> Is #5 the same thing that is sometimes called "bunker C" oil.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Cook
> Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 12:12 AM
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group
> Subject: Re: [AT] Fuel Oil vs. Diesel Fuel
>
> Same in Iowa, Ralph. #5 is pretty thick. Lots of btu's, though. I
> used to work at a petroleum jobber. The only place locally that I know
> of that used #5 was the brick yard to fire their kilns. That arrived in
> tank cars. In the winter I would deliver #1 to their storage with a
> tankwagon to thin the #5. That was 40 years ago. If that tractor had
> #5 in it, it likely could not atomize well enough to fire.
>
> Ron Cook
> Salix, IA
>
> On 5/6/2011 10:39 PM, Ralph Goff wrote:
>> On 5/6/2011 8:28 PM, Charlie V wrote:
>>> I will most likely be corrected on this, Joe. since it may not be
>>> accurate. As I recall from a Diesel mechanics course that I took over
>>> 50 years ago, heating oil is #5. Diesel is #2 and Kerosene is #1. I
>>> believe these numbers derive from the cuts (after gasoline) in the
>>> refining distillation process from crude. I keep in mind that when
>>> our local school district got the first real cold day with the new low
>>> sulfur fuel a couple of years ago, they ended up with about 25 of the
>>> buses not running at the same time. The fix was found to be to add 15
>>> percent Kerosene. I did the same to my '86 Ford F-250 and that also
>>> solved it's cold starting problem so I assume the kero not only
>>> prevents jelling, but also improves volatility a little.
>>>
>>> Charlie V.
>> To the best of my knowledge, in Canada anyway, the fuel oil you burn in
>> your furnace to heat the house is the same fuel that goes into the
>> diesel tractor and trucks. Only difference is the price.
>>
>> Ralph in Sask.
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