You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

Marc



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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

Marc



Cha robh b�s fir gun ghr�s fir!

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
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---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

Marc



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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

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From: "kuhlf" <>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

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From: "kuhlf" <>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
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Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

Marc



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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

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From: "kuhlf" <>
To: "'johnberg'" <>; "'scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.'"
<>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

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> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
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I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

John

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine, food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS (wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
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Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

Marc



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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

----- Original Message -----
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<>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John

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Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

John

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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:26 PM
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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine, food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS (wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Well, recent scholarship suggests that the modern student has been
grievously denied a wholesome knowledge of History. My grandson does not
have it as a subject but rather learns "social studies." I recently visited
my local middle school and read the section in Social Studies on
"Immigration Laws" and discovered a narrative on how Pedro, a poor farm
working in Mexico, had to move into the US to obtain adequate free schooling
for his daughter, Maria.

I might point to an URL
http://www.flixxy.com/200-countries-200-years-4-minutes.htm
with a splendid interactive graphic that I like to think of as showing how
the US led the western world into modernity.

John

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> I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently.
> Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer
> becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of
> the Minnesota winter.)
>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
> versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single
> empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade
> was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been
> playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for
> at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference
> was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans
> and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played
> similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.
>
> While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese,
> who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in
> the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants.
> The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated
> after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the
> "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the
> way for the later unification of Germany.
>
> Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as
> the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was
> (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare
> in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your
> tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the
> United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led
> to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided
> revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner
> cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the
> victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly
> unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848.
> Some lasted until 1918.
>
> Steve LaSala
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ---- kuhlf <> wrote:
>> Mr. Berg,
>>
>> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the
>> West
>> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>>
>> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
>> for
>> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
>> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
>> enjoying
>> every word, I read on until finished.
>>
>> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
>> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
>> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in
>> the
>> series.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Freda Kuhl
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: scuttlebutt-
>> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of
>> johnberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
>> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
>> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>>
>> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
>> POB's
>> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
>> delighted
>> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
>> I
>> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
>> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
>> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
>> the
>> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
>> time
>> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>>
>> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
>> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
>> anthologies.
>> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
>> story
>> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
>> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>>
>> John L. Berg
>> Sea-Room, Inc.
>> PO Box 298
>> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
>> Long Lake MN 55356
>> 952-476-6523
>>
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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

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<>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

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I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

John

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine, food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS (wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
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Well, recent scholarship suggests that the modern student has been
grievously denied a wholesome knowledge of History. My grandson does not
have it as a subject but rather learns "social studies." I recently visited
my local middle school and read the section in Social Studies on
"Immigration Laws" and discovered a narrative on how Pedro, a poor farm
working in Mexico, had to move into the US to obtain adequate free schooling
for his daughter, Maria.

I might point to an URL
http://www.flixxy.com/200-countries-200-years-4-minutes.htm
with a splendid interactive graphic that I like to think of as showing how
the US led the western world into modernity.

John

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> I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently.
> Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer
> becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of
> the Minnesota winter.)
>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
> versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single
> empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade
> was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been
> playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for
> at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference
> was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans
> and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played
> similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.
>
> While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese,
> who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in
> the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants.
> The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated
> after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the
> "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the
> way for the later unification of Germany.
>
> Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as
> the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was
> (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare
> in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your
> tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the
> United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led
> to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided
> revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner
> cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the
> victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly
> unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848.
> Some lasted until 1918.
>
> Steve LaSala
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ---- kuhlf <> wrote:
>> Mr. Berg,
>>
>> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the
>> West
>> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>>
>> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
>> for
>> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
>> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
>> enjoying
>> every word, I read on until finished.
>>
>> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
>> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
>> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in
>> the
>> series.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Freda Kuhl
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: scuttlebutt-
>> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of
>> johnberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
>> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
>> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>>
>> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
>> POB's
>> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
>> delighted
>> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
>> I
>> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
>> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
>> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
>> the
>> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
>> time
>> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>>
>> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
>> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
>> anthologies.
>> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
>> story
>> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
>> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>>
>> John L. Berg
>> Sea-Room, Inc.
>> PO Box 298
>> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
>> Long Lake MN 55356
>> 952-476-6523
>>
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At 01:03 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>Freda,
>I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
>rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
>Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
>sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John Berg

Those vile movies have almost nothing to do with
the books. Can the DVD's. READ THE
BOOKS.. That is where the story is told, not by
some unauthorized Hollywood dickwad. (John
Forester is a member of this List, and I believe
that he finally settled with the production
company for their invasion of his ownership of the rights.)

These movies are not close in any regard to the
books. READ THE BOOKS to learn about
Hornblower. There has never been a true video
capture of the real Hornblower. John might
disagree (there was that 1950's movie ... but Barbara Stanwyck was mis-cast.)

I get frustrated with folks who insist that some
DVD represents the intent of the creator. This
is generally nonsense. In the end, stop your
life of wild abandon long enough to shut off your
computer and then READ THE BOOK. Is there any
way in which I can put it more plainly?

Best wishes,

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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
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Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

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> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
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John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
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Marc



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I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

John

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine, food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS (wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Well, recent scholarship suggests that the modern student has been
grievously denied a wholesome knowledge of History. My grandson does not
have it as a subject but rather learns "social studies." I recently visited
my local middle school and read the section in Social Studies on
"Immigration Laws" and discovered a narrative on how Pedro, a poor farm
working in Mexico, had to move into the US to obtain adequate free schooling
for his daughter, Maria.

I might point to an URL
http://www.flixxy.com/200-countries-200-years-4-minutes.htm
with a splendid interactive graphic that I like to think of as showing how
the US led the western world into modernity.

John

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> I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently.
> Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer
> becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of
> the Minnesota winter.)
>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
> versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single
> empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade
> was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been
> playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for
> at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference
> was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans
> and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played
> similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.
>
> While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese,
> who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in
> the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants.
> The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated
> after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the
> "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the
> way for the later unification of Germany.
>
> Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as
> the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was
> (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare
> in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your
> tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the
> United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led
> to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided
> revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner
> cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the
> victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly
> unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848.
> Some lasted until 1918.
>
> Steve LaSala
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ---- kuhlf <> wrote:
>> Mr. Berg,
>>
>> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the
>> West
>> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>>
>> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
>> for
>> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
>> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
>> enjoying
>> every word, I read on until finished.
>>
>> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
>> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
>> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in
>> the
>> series.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Freda Kuhl
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: scuttlebutt-
>> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of
>> johnberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
>> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
>> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>>
>> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
>> POB's
>> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
>> delighted
>> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
>> I
>> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
>> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
>> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
>> the
>> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
>> time
>> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>>
>> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
>> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
>> anthologies.
>> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
>> story
>> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
>> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>>
>> John L. Berg
>> Sea-Room, Inc.
>> PO Box 298
>> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
>> Long Lake MN 55356
>> 952-476-6523
>>
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At 01:03 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>Freda,
>I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
>rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
>Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
>sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John Berg

Those vile movies have almost nothing to do with
the books. Can the DVD's. READ THE
BOOKS.. That is where the story is told, not by
some unauthorized Hollywood dickwad. (John
Forester is a member of this List, and I believe
that he finally settled with the production
company for their invasion of his ownership of the rights.)

These movies are not close in any regard to the
books. READ THE BOOKS to learn about
Hornblower. There has never been a true video
capture of the real Hornblower. John might
disagree (there was that 1950's movie ... but Barbara Stanwyck was mis-cast.)

I get frustrated with folks who insist that some
DVD represents the intent of the creator. This
is generally nonsense. In the end, stop your
life of wild abandon long enough to shut off your
computer and then READ THE BOOK. Is there any
way in which I can put it more plainly?

Best wishes,

Marc James Small
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At 01:14 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
>biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
>Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
>a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
>prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John, again you astonish me, as you have done
since, when, 1995? I have never heard of Lanny
Buddy and here is another person I must add to my
list. I believe that I own all of the Yellow
Peril books of the era, but I have missed this
Buddy. I hope he shows up on ABE.

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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
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---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
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> 952-476-6523
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

----- Original Message -----
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<>
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> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
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John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John

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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

John

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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine, food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS (wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Well, recent scholarship suggests that the modern student has been
grievously denied a wholesome knowledge of History. My grandson does not
have it as a subject but rather learns "social studies." I recently visited
my local middle school and read the section in Social Studies on
"Immigration Laws" and discovered a narrative on how Pedro, a poor farm
working in Mexico, had to move into the US to obtain adequate free schooling
for his daughter, Maria.

I might point to an URL
http://www.flixxy.com/200-countries-200-years-4-minutes.htm
with a splendid interactive graphic that I like to think of as showing how
the US led the western world into modernity.

John

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> I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently.
> Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer
> becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of
> the Minnesota winter.)
>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
> versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single
> empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade
> was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been
> playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for
> at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference
> was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans
> and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played
> similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.
>
> While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese,
> who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in
> the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants.
> The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated
> after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the
> "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the
> way for the later unification of Germany.
>
> Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as
> the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was
> (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare
> in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your
> tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the
> United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led
> to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided
> revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner
> cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the
> victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly
> unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848.
> Some lasted until 1918.
>
> Steve LaSala
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ---- kuhlf <> wrote:
>> Mr. Berg,
>>
>> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the
>> West
>> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>>
>> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
>> for
>> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
>> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
>> enjoying
>> every word, I read on until finished.
>>
>> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
>> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
>> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in
>> the
>> series.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Freda Kuhl
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: scuttlebutt-
>> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of
>> johnberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
>> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
>> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>>
>> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
>> POB's
>> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
>> delighted
>> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
>> I
>> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
>> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
>> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
>> the
>> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
>> time
>> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>>
>> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
>> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
>> anthologies.
>> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
>> story
>> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
>> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>>
>> John L. Berg
>> Sea-Room, Inc.
>> PO Box 298
>> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
>> Long Lake MN 55356
>> 952-476-6523
>>
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At 01:03 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>Freda,
>I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
>rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
>Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
>sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John Berg

Those vile movies have almost nothing to do with
the books. Can the DVD's. READ THE
BOOKS.. That is where the story is told, not by
some unauthorized Hollywood dickwad. (John
Forester is a member of this List, and I believe
that he finally settled with the production
company for their invasion of his ownership of the rights.)

These movies are not close in any regard to the
books. READ THE BOOKS to learn about
Hornblower. There has never been a true video
capture of the real Hornblower. John might
disagree (there was that 1950's movie ... but Barbara Stanwyck was mis-cast.)

I get frustrated with folks who insist that some
DVD represents the intent of the creator. This
is generally nonsense. In the end, stop your
life of wild abandon long enough to shut off your
computer and then READ THE BOOK. Is there any
way in which I can put it more plainly?

Best wishes,

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At 01:14 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
>biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
>Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
>a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
>prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John, again you astonish me, as you have done
since, when, 1995? I have never heard of Lanny
Buddy and here is another person I must add to my
list. I believe that I own all of the Yellow
Peril books of the era, but I have missed this
Buddy. I hope he shows up on ABE.

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At 01:23 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

Ah! Now you are giving us some details. I know
nothing about the Lanny Budd Series by Upton
Sinclair, though I know a lot about Upton
Sinclair, most of it negative. I do know that
Robert Heinlein campaigned for him when he ran
for governor. Thanks for the update.

Best wishes,

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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies. Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
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PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
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Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


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You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but
whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti
books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine,
food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have
also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS
(wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though
not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently. Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of the Minnesota winter.)

I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant" versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.

While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese, who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants. The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the way for the later unification of Germany.

Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848. Some lasted until 1918.

Steve LaSala
Raleigh, NC


---- kuhlf <> wrote:
> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

Marc



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At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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Freda,
I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "kuhlf" <>
To: "'johnberg'" <>; "'scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.'"
<>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


> Mr. Berg,
>
> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>
> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
> for
> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
> enjoying
> every word, I read on until finished.
>
> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
> series.
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Thank you,
> Freda Kuhl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scuttlebutt-
> [mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
> To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
> Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower
>
> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
> POB's
> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
> delighted
> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
> I
> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
> the
> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
> time
> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>
> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
> anthologies.
> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
> story
> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>
> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>
> John L. Berg
> Sea-Room, Inc.
> PO Box 298
> 650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
> Long Lake MN 55356
> 952-476-6523
>
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John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John

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<>
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


At 11:14 PM 5/3/2011, wrote:

>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
>versus the "free world".

The Hornblower books first appeared on the eve of
the Second World War. The first book had nothing
to do with Napoleon but the second and third
certainly did, what with Hornblower and Bush
being condemned to death by Fouche. SHIP OF THE
LINE was gifted to Churchill immediately after
its publication, and Churchill glommed on its
parallels to the situation the UK found itself in
at the time. Churchill then began to give copies
of the book to his intimates and officials.

Marc



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I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

John

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Lynch
To: kuhlf
Cc: johnberg ; scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower


Freda,

You made me wonder how many of us reread, not just single books, but whole series. I have done that with POB; and with Donna Leon's Brunetti books (grand police procedurals set in Venice, about politics, love, wine, food, family, friends, and light--start with DEATH AT LA FENICE). I have also gone through Robert Parker's Spenser books, and THE LORD OF THE RINGS (wch may not count as a series!). And Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe books, though not as systematically.

How many books make "series," anyway?

What say you all?

Dennis



On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:06 PM, kuhlf <> wrote:

Mr. Berg,

What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read for
years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and enjoying
every word, I read on until finished.

Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in the
series.

Enjoy,

Thank you,
Freda Kuhl


-----Original Message-----
From: scuttlebutt-
[mailto:scuttlebutt-] On Behalf Of johnberg
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 5:34 PM
To: scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com.
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Horatio Hornblower

You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of POB's
canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am delighted
to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower. I
first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one, the
Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running time
of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.

The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story anthologies.
Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the story
of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.

I'm looking forward to disc two.

John L. Berg
Sea-Room, Inc.
PO Box 298
650 Minnetonka Highlands Lane
Long Lake MN 55356
952-476-6523

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Long Lake MN 55356
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Well, recent scholarship suggests that the modern student has been
grievously denied a wholesome knowledge of History. My grandson does not
have it as a subject but rather learns "social studies." I recently visited
my local middle school and read the section in Social Studies on
"Immigration Laws" and discovered a narrative on how Pedro, a poor farm
working in Mexico, had to move into the US to obtain adequate free schooling
for his daughter, Maria.

I might point to an URL
http://www.flixxy.com/200-countries-200-years-4-minutes.htm
with a splendid interactive graphic that I like to think of as showing how
the US led the western world into modernity.

John

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> I picked up a set of Hornblower DVDs at an estate sale recently.
> Perhaps I'll get around to watching them when the North Carolina summer
> becomes too hot to spend much time outdooors. (The inverse equivalent of
> the Minnesota winter.)
>
> I must quibble, though with the characterization of the "tyrant"
> versus the "free world". I do agree with Stephen Maturin that a single
> empire dominating the nations of Europe and shutting out all outside trade
> was a bad thing. At the same time we must admit that the British had been
> playing the same game around the world, and rather more successfully, for
> at least 150 years before Napoleon came to power. The major difference
> was that most of the British Empire's subjects were not white Europeans
> and were scattered around the globe. The Spanish and French had played
> similar mercantilist games with their overseas empires.
>
> While Napoleon was certainly a tyrant to the Spaniards and Portuguese,
> who suffered dreadfully, the Poles, OTOH, supported him wholeheartedly, in
> the hopes of regaining their country, dismembered by 18th-century tyrants.
> The Jews of continental Europe were also considerably more emancipated
> after the Napoleonic wave rolled through, and it can be argued that the
> "rationalization" and sweeping away of petty local jurisdictions paved the
> way for the later unification of Germany.
>
> Even less can I go along with the characterization of the Allies as
> the "free world", and the implied cold-war parallel. The cold war was
> (partly) and exception to the rule that points of principle are very rare
> in international conflict. Most of it is simply "My tribe good; your
> tribe bad." The only real democracy on the world scene at the time, the
> United States, certainly saw the British Empire as oppressive, which led
> to the War of 1812. Before Napoleon came to power, the US actively aided
> revolutionary France, as with the crucial grain convoy that arrived uner
> cover of the battle of The Glorious First of June. And finally, after the
> victory of 1815, the Allies imposed upon Europe a set of exceedingly
> unfree, reactionary monarchies, which were not even challenged until 1848.
> Some lasted until 1918.
>
> Steve LaSala
> Raleigh, NC
>
>
> ---- kuhlf <> wrote:
>> Mr. Berg,
>>
>> What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the
>> West
>> Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.
>>
>> My local library has all the set, dog eared and grubby, that I have read
>> for
>> years. Every couple of years the thought comes to my mind 'I need some
>> Hornblower' then I have to read the whole set. Without regret, and
>> enjoying
>> every word, I read on until finished.
>>
>> Hornblower's stoicism and hidden passions always entertain me while the
>> depiction of the Corsican Tyrant and the free world's fight against him
>> educate and inspire me. Maybe I am not the only one to be caught up in
>> the
>> series.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Freda Kuhl
>>
>>
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>> You may remember my quite hopeless thought that the ideal rendition of
>> POB's
>> canon would be 20 seasons of eight episodes each. However, I am
>> delighted
>> to tell you of my recent discovery of an old friend, Horatio Hornblower.
>> I
>> first found him in the issues the Saturday Evening Post which I found in
>> barbershops and doctor's offices in my youth. I did find the collectors
>> edition of the Horatio Hornblower DVDs. I've just finished disc one,
>> the
>> Duel, and it was a real delight. And I look forward to a total running
>> time
>> of 3 hours and 20 minutes, with additional commentary.
>>
>> The collected Horatio Hornblower in paperback form consists of eleven
>> volumes which contain several novels, novella, and short story
>> anthologies.
>> Of these, DVD disc one incorporates some of the short stories and the
>> story
>> of Hornblowers first command. The narrative feel very Forester-ish but
>> different enough to set up its own suspense and a feeling of freshness.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to disc two.
>>
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At 01:03 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>Freda,
>I will be going through the eight discs of the collection, probably at the
>rate of one a day. I might add that the series begins with a young
>Midshipman Hornblower in the form of Ioan Gruffudd and many wonderfully
>sharp scenes of frigates, ships of the line, and other sailing vessels.

John Berg

Those vile movies have almost nothing to do with
the books. Can the DVD's. READ THE
BOOKS.. That is where the story is told, not by
some unauthorized Hollywood dickwad. (John
Forester is a member of this List, and I believe
that he finally settled with the production
company for their invasion of his ownership of the rights.)

These movies are not close in any regard to the
books. READ THE BOOKS to learn about
Hornblower. There has never been a true video
capture of the real Hornblower. John might
disagree (there was that 1950's movie ... but Barbara Stanwyck was mis-cast.)

I get frustrated with folks who insist that some
DVD represents the intent of the creator. This
is generally nonsense. In the end, stop your
life of wild abandon long enough to shut off your
computer and then READ THE BOOK. Is there any
way in which I can put it more plainly?

Best wishes,

Marc James Small
Moderator, the Hornblower List



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At 01:14 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>John Forester, son of our subject author, has a important two volume
>biography of CSF which clearly makes the point that CSF knew the value of
>Hornblower to the war efforts. I might add that the Lanny Buddy series had
>a similar intent. It carried us from before WW1 into WW2. I hope you all
>prepared to understand the time and reason for some older books.

John, again you astonish me, as you have done
since, when, 1995? I have never heard of Lanny
Buddy and here is another person I must add to my
list. I believe that I own all of the Yellow
Peril books of the era, but I have missed this
Buddy. I hope he shows up on ABE.

Marc



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At 01:23 AM 5/4/2011, johnberg wrote:
>I wonder how many of you know of the Lanny Budd series by Upton Sinclair?

Ah! Now you are giving us some details. I know
nothing about the Lanny Budd Series by Upton
Sinclair, though I know a lot about Upton
Sinclair, most of it negative. I do know that
Robert Heinlein campaigned for him when he ran
for governor. Thanks for the update.

Best wishes,

Marc



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Marc,
I know that you won't need the information, but for the benefit of some of
the other readers of this posting I though it might be helpful to list the
Hornblower novels and short stories in chronological order:
Mr. Midshipman Hornblower (1950)
Hornblower and the Widow McCool (1967, short story, a.k.a. "Hornblower's
Temptation")
Lieutenant Hornblower (1952)
Hornblower and the Hotspur (1962)
Hornblower and the Crisis (1967, unfinished novel and short stories,
a.k.a. Hornblower During the Crisis)
Hornblower and the Atropos (1953)
The Happy Return (1937, a.k.a. Beat to Quarters)
A Ship of the Line (1938)
Flying Colours (1938)
The Commodore (1945, a.k.a. Commodore Hornblower)
Lord Hornblower (1946)
Hornblower in the West Indies (1958, a.k.a. Admiral Hornblower in the
West Indies)
The Last Encounter (1967, short story)
Rif

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At 08:06 PM 5/3/2011, kuhlf wrote:
>Mr. Berg,
>
>What a timely post. I am now just finishing Admiral Hornblower in the West
>Indies, the last book in the Hornblower novels.

There is a short story contained in HORNBLOWER
DURING THE CRISES which occurs in 1846, more than
two decades after the Hornblower's return from the West Indies.

Marc



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