Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
various chemicals (including acetone).



Mike

Larry Goss wrote:
> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> To:
>
>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
various chemicals (including acetone).



Mike

Larry Goss wrote:
> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> To:
>
>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. This "test" got a lot of circulation since 2007. Has anyone on this
net seen the actual test procedure used? Are the results averaged
from several individual tests or ...? Apparently some effort was
made to standardize the "rusting" -- does anyone know how? How was
the torque measured? Etc.? What type of ATF was tested?

I don't have access to the magazine but would be interested if
someone has actually read the article and test procedure.

Bob Holtzer

At 06:33 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote:

> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
>Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>subjective
>test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
>None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
>WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
>PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
>Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
>Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
>ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone.
>
>Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>now
>use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>about as
>good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
various chemicals (including acetone).



Mike

Larry Goss wrote:
> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> To:
>
>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. This "test" got a lot of circulation since 2007. Has anyone on this
net seen the actual test procedure used? Are the results averaged
from several individual tests or ...? Apparently some effort was
made to standardize the "rusting" -- does anyone know how? How was
the torque measured? Etc.? What type of ATF was tested?

I don't have access to the magazine but would be interested if
someone has actually read the article and test procedure.

Bob Holtzer

At 06:33 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote:

> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
>Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>subjective
>test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
>None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
>WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
>PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
>Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
>Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
>ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone.
>
>Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>now
>use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>about as
>good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a lot
of rusty bolts so may be a good test.

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sloane" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
> various chemicals (including acetone).
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Larry Goss wrote:
>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>> To:
>>
>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Joe
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
various chemicals (including acetone).



Mike

Larry Goss wrote:
> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> To:
>
>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. This "test" got a lot of circulation since 2007. Has anyone on this
net seen the actual test procedure used? Are the results averaged
from several individual tests or ...? Apparently some effort was
made to standardize the "rusting" -- does anyone know how? How was
the torque measured? Etc.? What type of ATF was tested?

I don't have access to the magazine but would be interested if
someone has actually read the article and test procedure.

Bob Holtzer

At 06:33 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote:

> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
>Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>subjective
>test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
>None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
>WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
>PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
>Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
>Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
>ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone.
>
>Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>now
>use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>about as
>good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a lot
of rusty bolts so may be a good test.

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sloane" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
> various chemicals (including acetone).
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Larry Goss wrote:
>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>> To:
>>
>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Joe
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I'm here :)


In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:42:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

Is anyone there?

____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
various chemicals (including acetone).



Mike

Larry Goss wrote:
> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> To:
>
>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. This "test" got a lot of circulation since 2007. Has anyone on this
net seen the actual test procedure used? Are the results averaged
from several individual tests or ...? Apparently some effort was
made to standardize the "rusting" -- does anyone know how? How was
the torque measured? Etc.? What type of ATF was tested?

I don't have access to the magazine but would be interested if
someone has actually read the article and test procedure.

Bob Holtzer

At 06:33 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote:

> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
>Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>subjective
>test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
>None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
>WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
>PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
>Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
>Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
>ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone.
>
>Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>now
>use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>about as
>good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a lot
of rusty bolts so may be a good test.

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sloane" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
> various chemicals (including acetone).
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Larry Goss wrote:
>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>> To:
>>
>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Joe
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I'm here :)


In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:42:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

Is anyone there?

____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Is anyone there?

____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
various chemicals (including acetone).



Mike

Larry Goss wrote:
> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> To:
>
>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. This "test" got a lot of circulation since 2007. Has anyone on this
net seen the actual test procedure used? Are the results averaged
from several individual tests or ...? Apparently some effort was
made to standardize the "rusting" -- does anyone know how? How was
the torque measured? Etc.? What type of ATF was tested?

I don't have access to the magazine but would be interested if
someone has actually read the article and test procedure.

Bob Holtzer

At 06:33 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote:

> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
>Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>subjective
>test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
>None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
>WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
>PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
>Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
>Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
>ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone.
>
>Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>now
>use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>about as
>good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a lot
of rusty bolts so may be a good test.

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sloane" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
> various chemicals (including acetone).
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Larry Goss wrote:
>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>> To:
>>
>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Joe
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I'm here :)


In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:42:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

Is anyone there?

____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Is anyone there?

____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Just a little quiet on here lately. Been busy outside since its been a fine
sunny spring day. Had to repair and re-inforce my garden shed after the big
wind a day or so ago blew it off its base up against a tree.
Did a little harrowing in the cattle pasture, removed the dozer blade from
the 2090 Case and dropped the winter #10 oil in preparation for warmer
weather work.

Ralph in Sask.
----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Test


> I'm here :)
>
>
> In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:42:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> Is anyone there?
>
> ____________________________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe.

Gene, I believe I'd mix it up in the bottle/can the acetone came in.

Funny story, we had a guy working for us years ago as a sandblaster. The
boy even had part of a college education but it didn't do him much good. He
took some MEK home with him to clean paint off his clothes or shoes or skin
or something and for some strange reason decided to put his tooth brush in
the jar of MEK over night. He said he thought it would clean his tooth
brush up real good (I don't remember ever keeping a dirty tooth brush around
but whatever). Anyway, luckily for him, he said the next morning when he
went to brush his teeth all he had was a jar of, in his words, "pink water".

Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
> in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
> old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a
> lot
> of rusty bolts so may be a good test.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Sloane" <>
> To: "Antique tractor email discussion group"
> <>
> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>
>
>> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
>> various chemicals (including acetone).
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Larry Goss wrote:
>>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>>> To:
>>>
>>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy, Joe
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,

Great information.

I've always used liquid wrench as my go to penetrating oil.

PB-Blaster -Don't like the way it smells.
Kana Kroil-Never Tried it
WD-40-Use it all the time in my shop, but go to the Liquid Wrench for items that are stuck.

Will have to mix up a batch of the ATF-Acetone.

Regards,

Will




----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Dotson" <>
To: "ATIS" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:33:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
Could have used it this morning.

Gene




Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
subjective
test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

Penetrating oil ..... Average load

None ............ ......... 516 pounds

WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds

PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds

Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds

Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone.

Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
now
use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).

Enjoy, Joe






-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Dotson <>
To: ATIS <>
Sent: Mon, Apr 12, 2010 9:33 am
Subject: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test



Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
ould have used it this morning.
Gene


achinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
ut torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
ubjective
est of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
equired to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
Penetrating oil ..... Average load
None ............ ......... 516 pounds
WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
ransmission fluid and acetone.
Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
ne particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
ow
se it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
bout as
ood as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Gene,
VERY interesting data. I know Kroil works well from when I helped restore
WWII warbirds for a while; that was all they used and it worked wonders. The
data indicating the ATF-Acetone works better is something I'm going to play
with. With all the ATF types out there, did they mention which one they
used? Was it regular Dexron II or one of the many other available variants?
I have Ford Type F, Dexron II (or is it III these days?) and the synthetic
type specified for my Dodge available.

Thanks!

Ken in AZ


On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Gene Dotson <> wrote:

>
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea. Mike M

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Mike Sloane <>
To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400

I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. The parts Iam working on would take forever to cover with an eye
dropper. I mixed up some in a 1/2 pint pump oil can. already used half of it
on the wagon tie rods and a frozen kingpin. Maybe tomorrow it will help
some.

I have an ice cream bucket that has hed acetone it for over a year with
a cover on it. Solvent is still there and the bucket is still intact. Use
them with MEK, acetone, naptha and paint thinner. I do the same with cottage
cheese cartons and have the same result...

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Meulenberg" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


>I would think that keeping the mixture in the same container that the
>acetone came in would work just fine. Finding a spray bottle may be a
>problem however. Even if you can find one made from PP or another type of
>plastic that would stand up to the acetone, there's no guarantee the spray
>head is made of the same components. Acetone will attack most rubber seals
>with a vengeance, turning them to mush. I like Mike's eye dropper idea.
>Mike M
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Mike Sloane <>
> To: Antique tractor email discussion group <>
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:11:04 -0400
>
> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
> Mike
>
> Gene Dotson wrote:
>> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try
>> it.
>> Could have used it this morning.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>> subjective
>> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>>
>> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>>
>> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>>
>> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>>
>> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>>
>> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>>
>> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>>
>> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>>
>> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>> transmission fluid and acetone.
>>
>> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>> now
>> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>> about as
>> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>>
>
>>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Good doG Gene, does that not make the ice cream taste bad?
Dave

On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:05 PM, Gene Dotson wrote:
>
> I have an ice cream bucket that has had acetone it for over a
> year with
> a cover on it. ...
>
> Gene
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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:11 AM, Mike Sloane <> wrote:

> I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
> couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
> get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
> between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
> quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
> to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
> enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
> small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the
> job.
>
> There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
> at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
> containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
> a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
> ask for it.
>
>
I wonder if the local paint store could put some of the mix into the aerosol
spray cans as that would keep it sealed. I've seen a local shop mixing up
specific paints and putting it into cans for the customers. I see a cottage
industry here. Even if the resulting material is flammable (I'm sure it
is!), so is paint.

I would also think that the acetone can or maybe a white gas container would
be capable of holding the resulting penetrating oil. Not sure what to do
with the first half of the container but it wouldn't take long for some of
it to evaporate.

This stuff might be a good cleaning agent as well so putting it on with a
brush might solve application and possibly some cleaning issues. Just have
to have a brush that won't melt in solvent, like maybe a metal bristled one?

Ken in AZ
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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I tried the acetone/ATF mix, and it does indeed work well. But I have a
couple of problems with it: 1. finding a container/applicator to use to
get it where it is needed, and 2. finding a container to keep it in
between uses. Acetone attacks a lot of plastics, and it evaporates
quickly, leaving only the ATF behind. What I plan to do in the future is
to keep the two liquids in their original containers and only mix up
enough to use when I need it. As for applying it, I think I may use a
small glass bottle with an eye dropper - you don't need a lot to do the job.

There is another penetrating fluid that the mechanics used when I worked
at the New Holland dealership. It was supplied by New Holland in aerosol
containers and kept in the parts department but has no brand name, just
a part number. It works very well, and they will sell it to you if you
ask for it.

Mike

Gene Dotson wrote:
> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
> Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
> out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
> subjective
> test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
> required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
> None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
> WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
> transmission fluid and acetone.
>
> Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
> one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
> now
> use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>

>
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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
various chemicals (including acetone).



Mike

Larry Goss wrote:
> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>
> Larry
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
> To:
>
>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>
>> Enjoy, Joe
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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. This "test" got a lot of circulation since 2007. Has anyone on this
net seen the actual test procedure used? Are the results averaged
from several individual tests or ...? Apparently some effort was
made to standardize the "rusting" -- does anyone know how? How was
the torque measured? Etc.? What type of ATF was tested?

I don't have access to the magazine but would be interested if
someone has actually read the article and test procedure.

Bob Holtzer

At 06:33 AM 4/12/2010, you wrote:

> Friend of mine sent this interesting test result. Gonna have to try it.
>Could have used it this morning.
>
> Gene
>
>
>
>
>Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrants for break
>out torque on rusted nuts. Significant results! They arranged a
>subjective
>test of all the popular penetrants with the control being the torque
>required to remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
>Penetrating oil ..... Average load
>
>None ............ ......... 516 pounds
>
>WD-40 ............ ...... 238 pounds
>
>PB Blaster ............ ..214 pounds
>
>Liquid Wrench ...... 127 pounds
>
>Kano Kroil ............ 106 pounds
>
>ATF-Acetone mix... 53 pounds
>
>The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50 - 50 automatic
>transmission fluid and acetone.
>
>Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial product in this
>one particular test. A local machinist group mixed up a batch and all
>now
>use it with equally good results. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
>about as
>good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
>
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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I plan to mix up a batch and use a dishwashing soap bottle to store it
in and use as an applicator. Have a good project to try it on. I bought 2
old wagon gears to use for hay wagons. They are old and rusty and have a lot
of rusty bolts so may be a good test.

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Sloane" <>
To: "Antique tractor email discussion group" <>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test


> Here is one chart showing the compatibility of various plastics with
> various chemicals (including acetone).
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Larry Goss wrote:
>> You'll need to keep it in a tightly stoppered bottle, Joe.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Date: Monday, April 12, 2010 9:15
>> Subject: Re: [AT] Penetrating Oil Test
>> To:
>>
>>> If I mixed up a batch of the ATF-Acetone mix, how long would it
>>> last (do you have to mix it up and use it right away, or can I
>>> make a couple of quarts of it and store it on the shelf for awhile?).
>>>
>>> Enjoy, Joe
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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I'm here :)


In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:42:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
writes:

Is anyone there?

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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Is anyone there?

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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. Just a little quiet on here lately. Been busy outside since its been a fine
sunny spring day. Had to repair and re-inforce my garden shed after the big
wind a day or so ago blew it off its base up against a tree.
Did a little harrowing in the cattle pasture, removed the dozer blade from
the 2090 Case and dropped the winter #10 oil in preparation for warmer
weather work.

Ralph in Sask.
----- Original Message -----
From: <>
To: <>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AT] Test


> I'm here :)
>
>
> In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:42:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> Is anyone there?
>
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Posted on the AT mailing list. Go to http://www.antique-tractor.com/mailman/listinfo/at to subscribe. I'm here though a bit quite lately. Finally got spring here so it keeps me
off the 'puter.

Mattias

2010/4/16 Ralph Goff <>

> Just a little quiet on here lately. Been busy outside since its been a fine
> sunny spring day. Had to repair and re-inforce my garden shed after the big
> wind a day or so ago blew it off its base up against a tree.
> Did a little harrowing in the cattle pasture, removed the dozer blade from
> the 2090 Case and dropped the winter #10 oil in preparation for warmer
> weather work.
>
> Ralph in Sask.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AT] Test
>
>
> > I'm here :)
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 4/15/2010 8:42:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > writes:
> >
> > Is anyone there?
> >
> > ____________________________________________________________
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