After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile Island' on Seven.

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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
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==============================) Alan,

This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
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>>> send the message:
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile Island' on Seven.

I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
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==============================) Alan,

This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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Australia
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Alan

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Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>> send the message:
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>> send the message:
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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It is available as a Bit-Torrent download, 350MB, if you know how to do it.
Cheers
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bob gosford" <>
To: "Liz" <>; "Denise Goodfellow"
<>; "Alan Gillanders"
<>
Cc: "Birding Aus"
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.


> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are
>> the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be
>> involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an
>> outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a
>> UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally,
>> if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife
>> Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology,
>>> Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as
>>> people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks.
>>>> On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was
>>>> 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
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Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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It is available as a Bit-Torrent download, 350MB, if you know how to do it.
Cheers
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bob gosford" <>
To: "Liz" <>; "Denise Goodfellow"
<>; "Alan Gillanders"
<>
Cc: "Birding Aus"
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.


> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are
>> the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be
>> involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an
>> outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a
>> UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally,
>> if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife
>> Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology,
>>> Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as
>>> people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks.
>>>> On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was
>>>> 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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>>>> send the message:
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>>>
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) Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise


on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
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It is available as a Bit-Torrent download, 350MB, if you know how to do it.
Cheers
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bob gosford" <>
To: "Liz" <>; "Denise Goodfellow"
<>; "Alan Gillanders"
<>
Cc: "Birding Aus"
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.


> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are
>> the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be
>> involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an
>> outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a
>> UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally,
>> if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife
>> Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology,
>>> Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as
>>> people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks.
>>>> On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was
>>>> 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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>>>> send the message:
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>>>
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) Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise


on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
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>>>
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) I've just watched the film. From the get-go it seems to me this character has a
rather , how shall I say, "rustic", and slightly aggressive approach to filming
wildlife. Chasing turtles, rays, sharks, and worst of all, a dugong with his
camera on a pole. No idea what the fish "wrangling" was about. All very strange,
purely for their entertainment rather than for any viewer education or for
research purposes. All this left a rather sour taste.

As to the tern chicks, I am aware that tern chicks of some species are adept
swimmers but don't usually swim for any reason other than to escape predators or
disturbance. It was not clear in the film what the cause was, but judging by the
section of film with the crèche of chick backed up against the water's edge and
trying _not_ to get in the water, that there was pressure from something between
them and the beach. Now, if this was unintended pressure from the cameraman, then
he should have backed off immediately. It was obvious they couldn't escape. You
just have to look at the chicks' reaction. Gut feeling, it was deliberate, or at
least deliberate in his refusal to back off.

On another note, I thought he said near the start of the programme that there were
no pigs on Crab Island, but strangely there was footage of crocs feeding on a very
clean, unmuddied pig carcase which was in rigor mortis. Obviously he'd thrown it
to the crocs to set up the shots.

The one good bit in the film was the local chap crab hunting, what a great fellow!

However, all in all, not impressed with the cameraman and entourage.

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Gillanders
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:28 PM
To: Liz ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
Yours in disgust,
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
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Cheers
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bob gosford" <>
To: "Liz" <>; "Denise Goodfellow"
<>; "Alan Gillanders"
<>
Cc: "Birding Aus"
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.


> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are
>> the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be
>> involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an
>> outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a
>> UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally,
>> if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife
>> Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology,
>>> Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as
>>> people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks.
>>>> On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was
>>>> 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
>>>> unsubscribe
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>>>>
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>>>
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) Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise


on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
>>>> unsubscribe
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>>>
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) I've just watched the film. From the get-go it seems to me this character has a
rather , how shall I say, "rustic", and slightly aggressive approach to filming
wildlife. Chasing turtles, rays, sharks, and worst of all, a dugong with his
camera on a pole. No idea what the fish "wrangling" was about. All very strange,
purely for their entertainment rather than for any viewer education or for
research purposes. All this left a rather sour taste.

As to the tern chicks, I am aware that tern chicks of some species are adept
swimmers but don't usually swim for any reason other than to escape predators or
disturbance. It was not clear in the film what the cause was, but judging by the
section of film with the crèche of chick backed up against the water's edge and
trying _not_ to get in the water, that there was pressure from something between
them and the beach. Now, if this was unintended pressure from the cameraman, then
he should have backed off immediately. It was obvious they couldn't escape. You
just have to look at the chicks' reaction. Gut feeling, it was deliberate, or at
least deliberate in his refusal to back off.

On another note, I thought he said near the start of the programme that there were
no pigs on Crab Island, but strangely there was footage of crocs feeding on a very
clean, unmuddied pig carcase which was in rigor mortis. Obviously he'd thrown it
to the crocs to set up the shots.

The one good bit in the film was the local chap crab hunting, what a great fellow!

However, all in all, not impressed with the cameraman and entourage.

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Gillanders
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:28 PM
To: Liz ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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I have clipped the film with the tern chicks part and will slap it up on my web
space once I've tried to slim the file down a bit!

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: bob gosford
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM
To: Denise Goodfellow
Cc: Liz ; Alan Gillanders ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Dear all,

I've not seen it yet but am making enquiries.

Please let me know if anyone gets hold of an edit showing the (apparently)
objectionable bits of footage.

Cheers,

Bob


On 20 December 2010 04:41, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise




on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile Island' on Seven.

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==============================) Alan,

This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
>
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Alan

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Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
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>>> send the message:
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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Cheers
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bob gosford" <>
To: "Liz" <>; "Denise Goodfellow"
<>; "Alan Gillanders"
<>
Cc: "Birding Aus"
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.


> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are
>> the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be
>> involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an
>> outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a
>> UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally,
>> if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife
>> Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology,
>>> Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as
>>> people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks.
>>>> On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was
>>>> 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
>>>> unsubscribe
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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) Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise


on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
>>>> unsubscribe
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>>>
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) I've just watched the film. From the get-go it seems to me this character has a
rather , how shall I say, "rustic", and slightly aggressive approach to filming
wildlife. Chasing turtles, rays, sharks, and worst of all, a dugong with his
camera on a pole. No idea what the fish "wrangling" was about. All very strange,
purely for their entertainment rather than for any viewer education or for
research purposes. All this left a rather sour taste.

As to the tern chicks, I am aware that tern chicks of some species are adept
swimmers but don't usually swim for any reason other than to escape predators or
disturbance. It was not clear in the film what the cause was, but judging by the
section of film with the crèche of chick backed up against the water's edge and
trying _not_ to get in the water, that there was pressure from something between
them and the beach. Now, if this was unintended pressure from the cameraman, then
he should have backed off immediately. It was obvious they couldn't escape. You
just have to look at the chicks' reaction. Gut feeling, it was deliberate, or at
least deliberate in his refusal to back off.

On another note, I thought he said near the start of the programme that there were
no pigs on Crab Island, but strangely there was footage of crocs feeding on a very
clean, unmuddied pig carcase which was in rigor mortis. Obviously he'd thrown it
to the crocs to set up the shots.

The one good bit in the film was the local chap crab hunting, what a great fellow!

However, all in all, not impressed with the cameraman and entourage.

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Gillanders
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:28 PM
To: Liz ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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I have clipped the film with the tern chicks part and will slap it up on my web
space once I've tried to slim the file down a bit!

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: bob gosford
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM
To: Denise Goodfellow
Cc: Liz ; Alan Gillanders ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Dear all,

I've not seen it yet but am making enquiries.

Please let me know if anyone gets hold of an edit showing the (apparently)
objectionable bits of footage.

Cheers,

Bob


On 20 December 2010 04:41, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise




on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
>>>> unsubscribe
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>>>
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) OK, film clip uploaded to www.libtib.org.uk/ternchicks_NEW.mpeg

File size is around 16.5MB

Right click and "save target as"

Liz


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM
Cc: Liz ; Alan Gillanders ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Dear all,

I've not seen it yet but am making enquiries.

Please let me know if anyone gets hold of an edit showing the (apparently)
objectionable bits of footage.

Cheers,

Bob


On 20 December 2010 04:41, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise




on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
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This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
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> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
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Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
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It is available as a Bit-Torrent download, 350MB, if you know how to do it.
Cheers
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bob gosford" <>
To: "Liz" <>; "Denise Goodfellow"
<>; "Alan Gillanders"
<>
Cc: "Birding Aus"
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.


> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are
>> the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be
>> involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an
>> outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a
>> UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally,
>> if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife
>> Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology,
>>> Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as
>>> people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks.
>>>> On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was
>>>> 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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>>>> send the message:
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) Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise


on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
>>>> unsubscribe
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) I've just watched the film. From the get-go it seems to me this character has a
rather , how shall I say, "rustic", and slightly aggressive approach to filming
wildlife. Chasing turtles, rays, sharks, and worst of all, a dugong with his
camera on a pole. No idea what the fish "wrangling" was about. All very strange,
purely for their entertainment rather than for any viewer education or for
research purposes. All this left a rather sour taste.

As to the tern chicks, I am aware that tern chicks of some species are adept
swimmers but don't usually swim for any reason other than to escape predators or
disturbance. It was not clear in the film what the cause was, but judging by the
section of film with the crèche of chick backed up against the water's edge and
trying _not_ to get in the water, that there was pressure from something between
them and the beach. Now, if this was unintended pressure from the cameraman, then
he should have backed off immediately. It was obvious they couldn't escape. You
just have to look at the chicks' reaction. Gut feeling, it was deliberate, or at
least deliberate in his refusal to back off.

On another note, I thought he said near the start of the programme that there were
no pigs on Crab Island, but strangely there was footage of crocs feeding on a very
clean, unmuddied pig carcase which was in rigor mortis. Obviously he'd thrown it
to the crocs to set up the shots.

The one good bit in the film was the local chap crab hunting, what a great fellow!

However, all in all, not impressed with the cameraman and entourage.

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Gillanders
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:28 PM
To: Liz ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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I have clipped the film with the tern chicks part and will slap it up on my web
space once I've tried to slim the file down a bit!

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: bob gosford
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM
To: Denise Goodfellow
Cc: Liz ; Alan Gillanders ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Dear all,

I've not seen it yet but am making enquiries.

Please let me know if anyone gets hold of an edit showing the (apparently)
objectionable bits of footage.

Cheers,

Bob


On 20 December 2010 04:41, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise




on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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) OK, film clip uploaded to www.libtib.org.uk/ternchicks_NEW.mpeg

File size is around 16.5MB

Right click and "save target as"

Liz


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Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM
Cc: Liz ; Alan Gillanders ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Dear all,

I've not seen it yet but am making enquiries.

Please let me know if anyone gets hold of an edit showing the (apparently)
objectionable bits of footage.

Cheers,

Bob


On 20 December 2010 04:41, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise




on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
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I find it very hard to believe that chicks of that age would wander
out into water that choppy of their own volition. By the massing
together of the chicks, it certainly looks like they have been
stampeded.

Carl Clifford


On 20/12/2010, at 11:08 AM, Andrew Taylor wrote:

Here is a snapshot from the program showing the group of tern chicks
going
into the water: http://imgur.com/c8ABZ.png
There is no preceding footage of the tern chick, subsequent footage
shows
some being consumed by sharks and a few returning to the cay.

Given the the angle which the video is taken, it is hard to avoid Alan's
interpretation that those making this video have caused the tern chicks
to enter the water then filmed the unfortunate results.

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After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile Island' on Seven.

I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
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==============================) Alan,

This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:

Crocodile Island
7:30pm
- 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven

Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.

BG

On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
<>wrote:

> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
> Island' on Seven.
>
> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
> Yours in disgust,
> Alan
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Alan

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Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Alan, Bob, Denise et al

I'm horrified to hear this.
If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks into the
water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a legal issue in
Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the equivalent of our
"pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved, and
probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the Wildlife a
Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry from the public,
and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK TV station, he probably
would never work for them again! Additionally, if he held any Schedule 1 licence,
he would have that taken off him, pronto.

Liz
Cumbria, UK


-----Original Message-----
From: Denise Goodfellow
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
Denise


on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Alan,
>
> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>
> Crocodile Island
> 7:30pm
> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven
>
> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and captures
> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>
> BG
>
> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
> <>wrote:
>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from returning
>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>> Island' on Seven.
>>
>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>> Yours in disgust,
>> Alan
>>
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) Dear all,

I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
footage so I/we can review it?

Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
how to get one...

Cheers,

bob

On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:

> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>
> I'm horrified to hear this.
> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>
> Liz
> Cumbria, UK
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>
> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
> photography.
>
> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
> Denise
>
>
> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>
> Alan,
>>
>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>
>> Crocodile Island
>> 7:30pm
>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>
>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>> captures
>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>
>> BG
>>
>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>> <>wrote:
>>
>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>> returning
>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>
>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>> Yours in disgust,
>>> Alan
>>>
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) Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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It is available as a Bit-Torrent download, 350MB, if you know how to do it.
Cheers
Roger.

----- Original Message -----
From: "bob gosford" <>
To: "Liz" <>; "Denise Goodfellow"
<>; "Alan Gillanders"
<>
Cc: "Birding Aus"
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.


> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are
>> the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be
>> involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an
>> outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a
>> UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally,
>> if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife
>> Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology,
>>> Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as
>>> people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks.
>>>> On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was
>>>> 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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) Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise


on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
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) I've just watched the film. From the get-go it seems to me this character has a
rather , how shall I say, "rustic", and slightly aggressive approach to filming
wildlife. Chasing turtles, rays, sharks, and worst of all, a dugong with his
camera on a pole. No idea what the fish "wrangling" was about. All very strange,
purely for their entertainment rather than for any viewer education or for
research purposes. All this left a rather sour taste.

As to the tern chicks, I am aware that tern chicks of some species are adept
swimmers but don't usually swim for any reason other than to escape predators or
disturbance. It was not clear in the film what the cause was, but judging by the
section of film with the crèche of chick backed up against the water's edge and
trying _not_ to get in the water, that there was pressure from something between
them and the beach. Now, if this was unintended pressure from the cameraman, then
he should have backed off immediately. It was obvious they couldn't escape. You
just have to look at the chicks' reaction. Gut feeling, it was deliberate, or at
least deliberate in his refusal to back off.

On another note, I thought he said near the start of the programme that there were
no pigs on Crab Island, but strangely there was footage of crocs feeding on a very
clean, unmuddied pig carcase which was in rigor mortis. Obviously he'd thrown it
to the crocs to set up the shots.

The one good bit in the film was the local chap crab hunting, what a great fellow!

However, all in all, not impressed with the cameraman and entourage.

Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Gillanders
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:28 PM
To: Liz ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Liz,
This view of mine requires a little interpretation as the film does not show
the photographer but did briefly show a shadow. The interpretation is not
great.
I'll report back on what I find out and the action I have taken.
Regards,
Alan
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I have clipped the film with the tern chicks part and will slap it up on my web
space once I've tried to slim the file down a bit!

Liz

-----Original Message-----
From: bob gosford
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM
To: Denise Goodfellow
Cc: Liz ; Alan Gillanders ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Dear all,

I've not seen it yet but am making enquiries.

Please let me know if anyone gets hold of an edit showing the (apparently)
objectionable bits of footage.

Cheers,

Bob


On 20 December 2010 04:41, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise




on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
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) OK, film clip uploaded to www.libtib.org.uk/ternchicks_NEW.mpeg

File size is around 16.5MB

Right click and "save target as"

Liz


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:43 PM
Cc: Liz ; Alan Gillanders ; Birding Aus
Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for photography.

Dear all,

I've not seen it yet but am making enquiries.

Please let me know if anyone gets hold of an edit showing the (apparently)
objectionable bits of footage.

Cheers,

Bob


On 20 December 2010 04:41, Denise Goodfellow <> wrote:
Bob, Liz, and Alan
I've just emailed Leighton de Barros, a wildlife film maker. He may have
some details. Bob, were you able to view the footage?

Regards
Denise




on 19/12/10 8:51 PM, bob gosford at wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I missed the original screening - has anyone found a link to the relevant
> footage so I/we can review it?
>
> Cheers and I'll look overnight but if anyone has a copy or some idea as to
> how to get one...
>
> Cheers,
>
> bob
>
> On 19 December 2010 18:33, Liz <> wrote:
>
>> Alan, Bob, Denise et al
>>
>> I'm horrified to hear this.
>> If the film showed the photographer deliberately driving the tern chicks
>> into the water, then surely, apart from being a welfare issue, this is a
>> legal issue in Australia? Are not all birds protected unless they are the
>> equivalent of our "pest species" or quarry species when "in season"?
>> Certainly, if this were to happen in the UK, the police would be involved,
>> and probably the photographer/film-maker would be prosecuted under the
>> Wildlife a Countryside Act (1981). Also, there would be also such an outcry
>> from the public, and if he had been contracted to produce the film for a UK
>> TV station, he probably would never work for them again! Additionally, if
>> he held any Schedule 1 licence, he would have that taken off him, pronto.
>>
>> Liz
>> Cumbria, UK
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Denise Goodfellow
>> Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 2:10 PM
>> To: bob gosford ; Birding Aus
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Birding-Aus] Causing the death of tern chicks for
>> photography.
>>
>> I've just raised the issue with Ronda Green, president of Wildlife Tourism
>> Australia. Perhaps this is an issue WTA should respond to as well.
>> Denise
>>
>>
>> on 18/12/10 7:57 PM, bob gosford at wrote:
>>
>> Alan,
>>>
>>> This is from the Channel 7 promo on the Yahoo7 website:
>>>
>>> Crocodile Island
>>> 7:30pm
>>> - 8:30pm (PG) DocumentarySeven<
>>> http://au.tv.yahoo.com/tv-guide/channel/18891/>
>>>
>>> Crab Island, off the tip of northern Australia, is the world's most
>>> important breeding ground for the flatback turtle. However, the tranquil
>>> beauty of the land belies a hidden danger: the crocodile. Watch as
>>> Australian marine expert Ben Cropp goes in search of the crocs and
>>> captures
>>> unique footage as they feed. Using the latest in infra-red technology, Ben
>>> captures their aggressive behaviour in never-before-seen detail and
>>> investigates a mixture of other species located around the island.
>>> I agree with your opinion - though I've not seen it - an ethical
>>> bird-related issue if ever I've heard of one...almost as serious as people
>>> giving GPS coordinates for nesting rare birds.
>>>
>>> BG
>>>
>>> On 18 December 2010 19:51, Alan Gillanders
>>> <>wrote:
>>>
>>> After the cricket I flicked through the channels to see a photographer
>>>> driving tern chicks into the water where they were predated by sharks. On
>>>> one occasion it was evident that the chicks were intimidated from
>>>> returning
>>>> to land by the presence of at least the photographer. This was 'Crocodile
>>>> Island' on Seven.
>>>>
>>>> I will be writing to Channel Seven and the minister.
>>>> Yours in disgust,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list,
>>>> send the message:
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I find it very hard to believe that chicks of that age would wander
out into water that choppy of their own volition. By the massing
together of the chicks, it certainly looks like they have been
stampeded.

Carl Clifford


On 20/12/2010, at 11:08 AM, Andrew Taylor wrote:

Here is a snapshot from the program showing the group of tern chicks
going
into the water: http://imgur.com/c8ABZ.png
There is no preceding footage of the tern chick, subsequent footage
shows
some being consumed by sharks and a few returning to the cay.

Given the the angle which the video is taken, it is hard to avoid Alan's
interpretation that those making this video have caused the tern chicks
to enter the water then filmed the unfortunate results.

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Dear all,

This looks like a disaster for all concerned - not least the poor Terns -
and from this shot it looks like at least 100 chicks - all no more than 1 -
2 weeks old - are being driven - surely on purpose - into the water.

The issues just keep mounting and the possibilities at present look like (1)
- chicks being herded (?) into a group and driven into the water - surely
this must have been done with some knowledge or intent as to the likely
outcome; (2) where are the parents - multiply the number of chicks by (say)
1.5 and you have a large number of distressed adults; (3) the impact on the
breeding event at that site; (4) how many times did the filmamkers attempt
this before they achieved 'success'? - once, twice, many times?

I've not looked into the legal issues but the following come to mind

1 - depending on the species there may be a variety of issues under the
Cth's EPBC Act;

2 - Assuming that this took place in Qld (and I may be wrong - the promo
says 'Crab island, off the northern tip of Australia') there may/must be Qld
legislation relating to animal cruelty/welfare. This may not only be an
issue for the cameraman & director but the producer of the film and perhaps
also the various channels that broadcast it.

3 - and finally (for now) echoing recent issues aired here and elsewhere -
on whose land and waters was this exercise undertaken - if on traditional
Aboriginal lands what, and from whom, permission was given to undertake and
film this exercise?

The more I see and hear the more horrified I become...

Best,

BG

On 20 December 2010 09:38, Andrew Taylor <> wrote:

> Here is a snapshot from the program showing the group of tern chicks going
> into the water: http://imgur.com/c8ABZ.png
> There is no preceding footage of the tern chick, subsequent footage shows
> some being consumed by sharks and a few returning to the cay.
>
> Given the the angle which the video is taken, it is hard to avoid Alan's
> interpretation that those making this video have caused the tern chicks
> to enter the water then filmed the unfortunate results.
>
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