In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
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To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
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> ReplyTo: NP Info
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>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
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> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
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Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Same in florida .
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dena Galler" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:32:24
To: 'NP Info'<>
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ


That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
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To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Same in florida .
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dena Galler" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:32:24
To: 'NP Info'<>
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ


That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Lol , makes for an interesting day. Jeff h how about you and I boycott the fma!
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conrad Rios" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:48:07
To: NP Info<>
Cc: 'NP Info'<>;
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Same in florida .
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dena Galler" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:32:24
To: 'NP Info'<>
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ


That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Lol , makes for an interesting day. Jeff h how about you and I boycott the fma!
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conrad Rios" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:48:07
To: NP Info<>
Cc: 'NP Info'<>;
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Same in florida .
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dena Galler" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:32:24
To: 'NP Info'<>
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ


That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Lol , makes for an interesting day. Jeff h how about you and I boycott the fma!
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conrad Rios" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:48:07
To: NP Info<>
Cc: 'NP Info'<>;
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. People are stopped for no reason all the time. Red and older run down
vehicles are stopped by law enforcement the most. If you are profiling, they
will always find an "acceptable" reason to stop someone. I was planning to
go to the conference and tour Arizona, but will no longer be visiting this
state.

Marta



In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:28:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
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Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Same in florida .
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dena Galler" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:32:24
To: 'NP Info'<>
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ


That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Lol , makes for an interesting day. Jeff h how about you and I boycott the fma!
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conrad Rios" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:48:07
To: NP Info<>
Cc: 'NP Info'<>;
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. People are stopped for no reason all the time. Red and older run down
vehicles are stopped by law enforcement the most. If you are profiling, they
will always find an "acceptable" reason to stop someone. I was planning to
go to the conference and tour Arizona, but will no longer be visiting this
state.

Marta



In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:28:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Hahahaha!

R. Eric Doerfler, CRNP, PhD(c)
Campus Coordinator for Nursing Programs
Penn State Harrisburg


-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Priscilla Merrill
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:50 AM
To: 'NP Info'
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Same in florida .
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dena Galler" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:32:24
To: 'NP Info'<>
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ


That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Lol , makes for an interesting day. Jeff h how about you and I boycott the fma!
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conrad Rios" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:48:07
To: NP Info<>
Cc: 'NP Info'<>;
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. People are stopped for no reason all the time. Red and older run down
vehicles are stopped by law enforcement the most. If you are profiling, they
will always find an "acceptable" reason to stop someone. I was planning to
go to the conference and tour Arizona, but will no longer be visiting this
state.

Marta



In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:28:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Hahahaha!

R. Eric Doerfler, CRNP, PhD(c)
Campus Coordinator for Nursing Programs
Penn State Harrisburg


-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Priscilla Merrill
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:50 AM
To: 'NP Info'
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. I knew they should have chosen CA, WA, or OR to begin with! First of all,
June in the Phoenix desert is just an absolutely ridiculous time to go
there. You can't even go outside due to the heat. Granted, prices are
cheaper in the off season but that's because no intelligent person would be
there in the first place . Can't see how they can move the conference at
this late stage... Think of all those who have already purchased plane
tickets.
Dena Galler

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Priscilla Merrill
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:50 AM
To: 'NP Info'
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who would
have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate for a
conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty, I got
it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe.

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
------Original Message------
From:
Sender: npinfo-
To: NP Info
ReplyTo:
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM

Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?


------Original Message------
From: Dena Galler
Sender: npinfo-
To: 'NP Info'
ReplyTo: NP Info
Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM

In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
"without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.

Dena Galler

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. If you listen to some of the authorities from Arizona who are in law enforcement, they seem pretty clear as to whom they might stop and search. They gave several examples with incidents of gun fire, people evading a traffic violation with high speed chase, people brandishing weapons in public etc. Listen to why they are trying to protect the borders, innocent Americans have been harmed, even killed by those entering the country illegally. There are so many ways that one can enter the country legally, we need to enforce that these measures are used, or if not working, corrected, so that the people entering illegally and committing crimes are not allowed to stay and creat havoc to the citzens.




Willie Olson, MSN, FNP-C 
530-682-8560
 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Stephanie Walker <> wrote:


From: Stephanie Walker <>
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
To: , "NP Info" <>
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 1:27 PM


But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said  that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Below is the link.
Conrad

Now can you see why I would not travel to AZ at this time. The guy is from

my hometown. It could easily be me if I was driving my large van ( it
looks similar to what they use to transport farmworkers) that has tinted
windows, and carrying passengers. Say I decided to stop at a rest stop,
Mexican music blaring away, all speaking Spanish, would they ask for all
our birth certificates?

Racial profiling has started in AZ even though the law is not in effect .
See 3 minute clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpjd5sh8xCM&feature=player_embedded


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: Rose Moran-Kelly <>
To: , NP Info <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-



Maureen,
Follow the link that Conrad has posted elsewhere. My guess is that you
and I (making an assumption based on the name Maureen) will not be stopped
and asked to have our spouses bring our birth certificates back to get us
out of immigration detention. This is while this young man was driving
with
a valid license and social security card on his person. This is very
scary
stuff!
Rose (Mary)

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:45 PM, <> wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people for
no
> reason. By the way there is already a law on the. Federal books that
matches
> it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Same in florida .
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Dena Galler" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:32:24
To: 'NP Info'<>
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ


That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally. Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Lol , makes for an interesting day. Jeff h how about you and I boycott the fma!
Sent on the Now Network™ from my Sprint® BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Conrad Rios" <>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:48:07
To: NP Info<>
Cc: 'NP Info'<>;
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. People are stopped for no reason all the time. Red and older run down
vehicles are stopped by law enforcement the most. If you are profiling, they
will always find an "acceptable" reason to stop someone. I was planning to
go to the conference and tour Arizona, but will no longer be visiting this
state.

Marta



In a message dated 4/28/2010 4:28:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.)
I heard some of the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to
carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop
> people for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking,
> I was
> apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that stopping
> people
> "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th Amendment's Illegal
> Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st Amendment's Freedom of
> Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Hahahaha!

R. Eric Doerfler, CRNP, PhD(c)
Campus Coordinator for Nursing Programs
Penn State Harrisburg


-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Priscilla Merrill
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:50 AM
To: 'NP Info'
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who
would have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate
for a conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty,
I got it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause
law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people
from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal
Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs
a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the
world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can
you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't
have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said
they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is
kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. I knew they should have chosen CA, WA, or OR to begin with! First of all,
June in the Phoenix desert is just an absolutely ridiculous time to go
there. You can't even go outside due to the heat. Granted, prices are
cheaper in the off season but that's because no intelligent person would be
there in the first place . Can't see how they can move the conference at
this late stage... Think of all those who have already purchased plane
tickets.
Dena Galler

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Priscilla Merrill
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:50 AM
To: 'NP Info'
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

There is a very similar heated exchange going on AANP FB page. Have you
seen it? They're actually considering moving the conference! This is one
hot topic and the temp already gets to well over 100 there so perhaps the
whole state will catch fire with all this blowing steam! So Dena, maybe
you'll have to find a roommate in another state! Maybe a sick State Bird
from Mars? You knew it was coming. . . .an ILL-EAGLE ALIEN!

Priscilla

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who would
have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate for a
conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty, I got
it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the NPInfo mailing list. Go to http://lists.nurse.net/mailman/listinfo/npinfo to subscribe. Looking for a room at the Hyatt Regency which is currently all sold out for
the conference dates. Hoping that people will cancel and I can finally grab
one-- maybe at a dirt cheap rate now . If I go, I will carry driver's
license, birth certificate, passport, and SS card. Think that will be enough
to get me through the border crossing from CA to AZ? I read somewhere
recently that someone actually used their CostCo card as a form of legal
picture ID for airline security. Maybe I should get one of those as well???
Dena

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Conrad Rios
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: NP Info
Cc: 'NP Info'; npinfo-
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

Good points Dena. Did you ever find a roommate for the conference? Who would
have known when you asked for something so simple such as a roommate for a
conference in AZ the discussion would lead to this. Yes, I'm guilty, I got
it started.
Conrad


Conrad J. Rios, NP, PA, MSN
Faculty
UC Davis, FNP/PA Program
559-281-8211

Email:
Web: http://fnppa.ucdavis.edu



From: "Dena Galler" <>
To: "'NP Info'" <>
Date: 04/28/2010 02:34 PM
Subject: RE: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
Sent by: npinfo-




That's EXACTLY the point-- the fear is that the only "reasonable" cause law
enforcement officers would have to stop and search someone is that they
appear Latino (it's not just Mexicans we're talking about here-- people from
Mexico, Central, and even South American countries are crossing the border
illegally on a daily basis). In AZ they appear to only be concerned with
illegals from south of the border while here in CA, we have illegals from
virtually EVERYWHERE-- how can you tell a legal Asian from an illegal Asian,
an illegal Pacific Islander from a legal one, an illegal mid-easterner vs a
legal one, an illegal Russian from any other legal caucasian, etc, etc,
etc. So if we had a similar law here, we would ALL be subject to being
stopped and searched and asked for ID to prove we are here legally.
Granted,
border and agricultural communities are much more likely to have a greater
proportion of illegal Latino folks than those from other parts of the world,
but larger cities would have to extend the law to probably everyone. Can you
imagine how much time, money, and personnel resources that would take?

All representatives of AZ law enforcement agencies that I've heard
interviewed have said they don't plan to carry out the law-- they don't have
time to be stopping everyone, asking for IDs, and turning over illegals to
I.C.E. And an I.C.E. source quoted on ABC news the other night said they'll
refuse to accept the illegals if turned over to them-- which I think is kind
of funny... Isn't that their JOB???
Dena Galler
(now carrying THREE forms of picture ID)

-----Original Message-----
From: npinfo- [mailto:npinfo-] On Behalf
Of Stephanie Walker
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 1:28 PM
To: ; NP Info
Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ

But--how do they know which people to stop and search?
Anyone who looks Mexican?
That's like racial profiling. (Call it ethnic profiling.) I heard some of
the sheriff's departments are going to refuse to carry out this law.

Stephanie Walker, FNP

On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 PM, wrote:

> There does have to be probable cause. No one is going to stop people
> for no reason. By the way there is already a law on the.
> Federal books that matches it so it is not new!
> ------Original Message------
> From:
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: NP Info
> ReplyTo:
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: Re: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 2:36 PM
>
> Ok I thought the gov said that there had to be probable cause?
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dena Galler
> Sender: npinfo-
> To: 'NP Info'
> ReplyTo: NP Info
> Subject: [NPInfo] Constitutional rights vs AZ
> Sent: Apr 28, 2010 1:20 PM
>
> In regards to which Constitutional Amendment AZ might be breaking, I
> was apparently right the 2nd time. just read in the paper that
> stopping people "without probable cause" is a violation of the 4th
> Amendment's Illegal Search and Seizure clause and not the 1st
> Amendment's Freedom of Speech.
>
> Dena Galler
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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