Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Here here.

Jack McCleland
________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe.

Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe.

Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Here here.

Jack McCleland
________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
______
I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
To unsubscribe or change options, go to
http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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______
I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> end of message
> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

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sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

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> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> > http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
To unsubscribe or change options, go to
http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Bill Ward <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> > http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
--
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
-- Friedrich von Schiller

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

_______________________________________________
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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


_______________________________________________
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> wrote:

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

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> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
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> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

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> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

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> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

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> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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> wrote:

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

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sponsored by www.sea-room.com
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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> > http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
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> _______________________________________________
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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
--
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
-- Friedrich von Schiller

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I promise!

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> ______
> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
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> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

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> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
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>
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>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
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--Horace

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> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

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> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
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> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
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I promise!

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> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

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> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

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replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

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To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


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> > wrote:
>
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>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
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Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
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Jack McCleland
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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

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> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

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> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
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>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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> wrote:

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

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> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
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> _______________________________________________
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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
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-- Friedrich von Schiller

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I promise!

On 11/15/10 1:20 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
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> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

On 11/15/10 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
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> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
non-essentials?

Deb



From: Rif and Ann Winfield <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:48:33 -0000
To: "scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com." <>
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying

Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


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> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

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> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
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> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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> wrote:

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
To unsubscribe or change options, go to
http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Bill Ward <> wrote:

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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> > http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
--
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
-- Friedrich von Schiller

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --

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I promise!

On 11/15/10 1:20 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
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> at end of message
> ______
> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

On 11/15/10 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
non-essentials?

Deb



From: Rif and Ann Winfield <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:48:33 -0000
To: "scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com." <>
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying

Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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>Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
>Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
>off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
>non-essentials?

This is not the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show, so
'dittos' are not necessary. I agree: let us
keep our postings focused on new material, not on
agreeing with past postings. Of course, if you
disagree with a past posting, go for the gold.

I belong to a rather secretive mailing list
devoted to artillery fire control, with a
concentration on naval stuff from WWI through
WWII. Our membership includes a lot of PhD types
who are working actively in the field today,
either as historians or as engineers working on
the new methodologies of death. ("What do Civil
Engineers build", the Mechanical Engineer
asked. "Targets," the Electrical Engineer
answered smugly.) We on that List are a small
band of brothers, but, by heavens, we can rattle
on for days with "I agree" messages. Several of
us have protested but to no effect. Of course,
with a few exceptions, that is the only List most
of these guys have joined, so to them it is no
big deal. But I subscribe to dozens of lists and
own a few, and I do not need to have these "Me,
too!" accolades. Just clogs my trash bin.

That is my story, and I am sticking with it. I
have been a member here for fifteen years or so
-- I go back to the days when we were required to
post our longitude and latitude. That was far back in the Longago.

Ask Beth how her bodice-ripper is coming
along. That ought to get Scuttlebutt fired up.

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
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> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
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> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> end of message
> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
To unsubscribe or change options, go to
http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Bill Ward <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> > http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
--
Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.
-- Friedrich von Schiller

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --

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I promise!

On 11/15/10 1:20 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
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> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options
> at end of message
> ______
> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

On 11/15/10 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
non-essentials?

Deb



From: Rif and Ann Winfield <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:48:33 -0000
To: "scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com." <>
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying

Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. At 02:03 AM 11/16/2010, Deb Carlen wrote:
>Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
>Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
>off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
>non-essentials?

This is not the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show, so
'dittos' are not necessary. I agree: let us
keep our postings focused on new material, not on
agreeing with past postings. Of course, if you
disagree with a past posting, go for the gold.

I belong to a rather secretive mailing list
devoted to artillery fire control, with a
concentration on naval stuff from WWI through
WWII. Our membership includes a lot of PhD types
who are working actively in the field today,
either as historians or as engineers working on
the new methodologies of death. ("What do Civil
Engineers build", the Mechanical Engineer
asked. "Targets," the Electrical Engineer
answered smugly.) We on that List are a small
band of brothers, but, by heavens, we can rattle
on for days with "I agree" messages. Several of
us have protested but to no effect. Of course,
with a few exceptions, that is the only List most
of these guys have joined, so to them it is no
big deal. But I subscribe to dozens of lists and
own a few, and I do not need to have these "Me,
too!" accolades. Just clogs my trash bin.

That is my story, and I am sticking with it. I
have been a member here for fifteen years or so
-- I go back to the days when we were required to
post our longitude and latitude. That was far back in the Longago.

Ask Beth how her bodice-ripper is coming
along. That ought to get Scuttlebutt fired up.

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. At 03:29 AM 11/16/2010, Deb Carlen wrote:

>A glass of wine with you, Sir!

And one with you as well, Ma'am!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Thanks, Ridge.

A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

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> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
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> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
--
Omnem crede diem tibi diluxisse supremum.
--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> wrote:

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
To unsubscribe or change options, go to
http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Bill Ward <> wrote:

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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> > http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
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-- Friedrich von Schiller

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I promise!

On 11/15/10 1:20 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
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> at end of message
> ______
> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

On 11/15/10 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
non-essentials?

Deb



From: Rif and Ann Winfield <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:48:33 -0000
To: "scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com." <>
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying

Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. At 02:03 AM 11/16/2010, Deb Carlen wrote:
>Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
>Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
>off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
>non-essentials?

This is not the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show, so
'dittos' are not necessary. I agree: let us
keep our postings focused on new material, not on
agreeing with past postings. Of course, if you
disagree with a past posting, go for the gold.

I belong to a rather secretive mailing list
devoted to artillery fire control, with a
concentration on naval stuff from WWI through
WWII. Our membership includes a lot of PhD types
who are working actively in the field today,
either as historians or as engineers working on
the new methodologies of death. ("What do Civil
Engineers build", the Mechanical Engineer
asked. "Targets," the Electrical Engineer
answered smugly.) We on that List are a small
band of brothers, but, by heavens, we can rattle
on for days with "I agree" messages. Several of
us have protested but to no effect. Of course,
with a few exceptions, that is the only List most
of these guys have joined, so to them it is no
big deal. But I subscribe to dozens of lists and
own a few, and I do not need to have these "Me,
too!" accolades. Just clogs my trash bin.

That is my story, and I am sticking with it. I
have been a member here for fifteen years or so
-- I go back to the days when we were required to
post our longitude and latitude. That was far back in the Longago.

Ask Beth how her bodice-ripper is coming
along. That ought to get Scuttlebutt fired up.

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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>A glass of wine with you, Sir!

And one with you as well, Ma'am!

Marc



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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
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>______
>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
>Melani
>
>On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
>>REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>>2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
>>______
>>I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
>>I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
>>just at the end.
>>
>>On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>>>2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>>>http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>>>end of message
>>>______
>>>Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>>>supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Regards, Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

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Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

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> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

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> ______
> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
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>> end of message
>> ______
>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
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--Horace

-- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --


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On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> wrote:

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
To unsubscribe or change options, go to
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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
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I promise!

On 11/15/10 1:20 PM, Marc James Small wrote:
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> ______
> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

On 11/15/10 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
non-essentials?

Deb



From: Rif and Ann Winfield <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:48:33 -0000
To: "scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com." <>
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying

Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
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> end of message
> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. At 02:03 AM 11/16/2010, Deb Carlen wrote:
>Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
>Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
>off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
>non-essentials?

This is not the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show, so
'dittos' are not necessary. I agree: let us
keep our postings focused on new material, not on
agreeing with past postings. Of course, if you
disagree with a past posting, go for the gold.

I belong to a rather secretive mailing list
devoted to artillery fire control, with a
concentration on naval stuff from WWI through
WWII. Our membership includes a lot of PhD types
who are working actively in the field today,
either as historians or as engineers working on
the new methodologies of death. ("What do Civil
Engineers build", the Mechanical Engineer
asked. "Targets," the Electrical Engineer
answered smugly.) We on that List are a small
band of brothers, but, by heavens, we can rattle
on for days with "I agree" messages. Several of
us have protested but to no effect. Of course,
with a few exceptions, that is the only List most
of these guys have joined, so to them it is no
big deal. But I subscribe to dozens of lists and
own a few, and I do not need to have these "Me,
too!" accolades. Just clogs my trash bin.

That is my story, and I am sticking with it. I
have been a member here for fifteen years or so
-- I go back to the days when we were required to
post our longitude and latitude. That was far back in the Longago.

Ask Beth how her bodice-ripper is coming
along. That ought to get Scuttlebutt fired up.

Marc



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>A glass of wine with you, Sir!

And one with you as well, Ma'am!

Marc



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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
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>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
>Melani
>
>On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
>>REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>>2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
>>______
>>I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
>>I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
>>just at the end.
>>
>>On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>>>2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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>>>end of message
>>>______
>>>Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>>>supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Regards, Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
>On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
>>I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
>>I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
>>just at the end.
>>
>>On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>>
>>>Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>>>supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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Dear Civilized All,

As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
incarnation get worked out.

I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
the list address as a CC: address.

If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
difficult to located.

I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.

Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.

Sincerely,

Ridge (in New Joisey)
-
Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
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A risky speculation is that POB seems to draw together communities of
respondents. I certain remember Searoom-l, and email chatlist, and the W.
W. Norton browser POB chatlist, now dead. The existing www.hmssurprise.org,
still extremely active, represents in my mind an active community of
participants. And all shared the same desire to be civil to one another. I
certain hope scuttlebutt maintains the same habit and that my actions have
not unwittingly started us with less than good-will.

John


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ridge Kennedy"
Cc: <>
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: [Scuttlebutt] Be Gentle -- Replying to List -- My Feedback


>
> Dear Civilized All,
>
> As a long-time listserve manager (of another list) that migrated once,
> I extend my sincere empathy to John. I've subscribed to sea-room
> since volume 16 or 17 and very much enjoyed the list in its heyday,
> and I'm more than willing to be patient while the kinks in the current
> incarnation get worked out.
>
> I'm using gmail (mail is forwarded from a different address, but
> that's my client). When I select "reply" -- my reply is addressed to
> the individual who sent the message. When I hit "reply all," I get
> the list address as a CC: address.
>
> If I click "show header" that gives me access to the individual
> sender's address *and* the "unsubscribe" information that seems so
> difficult to located.
>
> I hope that the most offended parties have found their way off the
> list. I have no fear that the list is being sold.
>
> Hang in there, Mr. Berg. Peace be with you.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ridge (in New Joisey)
> -
> Ridge Kennedy [Exit 145]
> When you stumble, make it part of the dance.
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Jack McCleland
________________________________
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Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
just at the end.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau <> wrote:

> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
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> ______
> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>
> --
> Regards, Pete
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

Melani

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> I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
> I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
> just at the end.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>
>
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>> Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>> supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>
>> --
>> Regards, Pete
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:

>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
>the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?

A bit of recent history. When the List was
reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who
insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
that the instructions were contained in the
headers in every message. So, our Listmeister,
John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
the unsubscription instructions.

I agree that there probably is no longer a need
to have them there, but only if y'all promise not
to start whining about not knowing how to
unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

Marc



Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!

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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:

> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--

Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.

Cheers,

Ron.
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--Horace

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> wrote:

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>
> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply
> to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
>
No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to skip
boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.

I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....

Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
sponsored by www.sea-room.com
Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
just the author.
To unsubscribe or change options, go to
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Hear, Hear... hear him!!!

Good example of how to set it up, John!

...with respect,
Richard

_

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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
> > REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
> > 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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> > end of message
> > ______
> > On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> > from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
> >
> > > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
> >
> > Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
> Reply
> > to
> > All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
> >
> >
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
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> _______________________________________________
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On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
from Bill Ward <> who wrote:

> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.

I have; Reply sends this one to to while
Reply All send to and Bill Ward
<>

Strange.

Ron.
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I promise!

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> ______
> At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>
> >I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could
> >the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
> A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a
> couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware
> that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message.
> So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing
> the unsubscription instructions.
>
> I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there,
> but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how
> to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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My only option is "reply" or "reply list."

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> ______
> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
> from Melani Van Petten<> who wrote:
>
>
>> I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>
> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list, Reply to
> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
>

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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
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>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
non-essentials?

Deb



From: Rif and Ann Winfield <>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 05:48:33 -0000
To: "scuttlebutt www.sea-room.com." <>
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying

Well said, Bill; and perhaps we should all start to get the hang of NOT
replying as well. Most members have a significant contribution to make to a
debate, hopefully all do much of the time, but some take up a lot of time
simply to say "me too" or similar. Perhaps a little self-discipline might be
a useful skill to learn.
Regards to all, nevertheless,
Rif

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Ward" <>
To: "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" <>
Cc: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Scuttlebutt] Replying


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> ______
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <
> > wrote:
>
>> REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>> 2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>> end of message
>> ______
>> On Monday 15 November 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
>> from Melani Van Petten <> who wrote:
>>
>> > I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--
>>
>> Moreover, the advice it gives is wrong here: Reply goes to the list,
>> Reply
>> to
>> All goes to the list _and_ a number of individuals.
>>
>>
> No, Reply sends only to the author of the message. Try it.
>
> The problem with the prefix text is that mail clients understand how to
> skip
> boilerplate at the end of messages, but not at the top.
>
> I agree the wording is less than ideal. I would put something like this
> as
> the auto-suffix for each email, and remove the prefix text....
>
> Message copyright by author, sent via the "Scuttlebutt" mailing list
> sponsored by www.sea-room.com
> Use "REPLY ALL" to send reply to the list and author or "REPLY" to send to
> just the author.
> To unsubscribe or change options, go to
> http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com
> _______________________________________________
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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. At 02:03 AM 11/16/2010, Deb Carlen wrote:
>Rif, don¹t worry, I¹ll keep it short: sometimes it¹s nice to know there¹s a
>Œje concur¹ here and there. Perhaps the agreement-only comments could go
>off-list, maintain some camaraderie, and not impact the list with
>non-essentials?

This is not the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show, so
'dittos' are not necessary. I agree: let us
keep our postings focused on new material, not on
agreeing with past postings. Of course, if you
disagree with a past posting, go for the gold.

I belong to a rather secretive mailing list
devoted to artillery fire control, with a
concentration on naval stuff from WWI through
WWII. Our membership includes a lot of PhD types
who are working actively in the field today,
either as historians or as engineers working on
the new methodologies of death. ("What do Civil
Engineers build", the Mechanical Engineer
asked. "Targets," the Electrical Engineer
answered smugly.) We on that List are a small
band of brothers, but, by heavens, we can rattle
on for days with "I agree" messages. Several of
us have protested but to no effect. Of course,
with a few exceptions, that is the only List most
of these guys have joined, so to them it is no
big deal. But I subscribe to dozens of lists and
own a few, and I do not need to have these "Me,
too!" accolades. Just clogs my trash bin.

That is my story, and I am sticking with it. I
have been a member here for fifteen years or so
-- I go back to the days when we were required to
post our longitude and latitude. That was far back in the Longago.

Ask Beth how her bodice-ripper is coming
along. That ought to get Scuttlebutt fired up.

Marc



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>A glass of wine with you, Sir!

And one with you as well, Ma'am!

Marc



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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. I've left the boilerplate in this post to make my point: There are three copies of the boilerplate in my quoted material below, and the List is going to put another one above. I will send another reply to Melani's post, to make my point what this post SHOULD look like.

At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
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>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
>Melani
>
>On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
>>REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>>2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at end of message
>>______
>>I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
>>I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
>>just at the end.
>>
>>On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>REPLY sent only to message author;REPLY ALL, to entire list.
>>>2Nov2010--temporary note: to unsubscribe go to URL
>>>http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/, select SCUTTLEBUTT from list options at
>>>end of message
>>>______
>>>Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>>>supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?
>>>
>>>--
>>>Regards, Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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At 04:13 PM 11/15/2010, Melani Van Petten wrote:
>I agree--I think we are all starting to get the hang of replying--could the setup be reconfigured to have the boilerplate at the bottom?
>
>On 11/15/10 12:22 PM, Bill Ward wrote:
>>I think the boilerplate is really annoying. This is the only mailing list
>>I've ever seen that has boilerplate at the TOP of the email. It's typically
>>just at the end.
>>
>>On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Peter Granzeau<> wrote:
>>
>>>Could I ask that when replying with quotations that the boilerplate
>>>supplied by the List be excised from the quotation?

--
Regards, Pete


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Posted on the Scuttlebutt mailing list. Go to http://lists.sea-room-plus.com/listinfo.cgi/scuttlebutt-sea-room-plus.com to subscribe. At 04:20 PM 11/15/2010, Marc James Small wrote:
>A bit of recent history. When the List was reactivated, there were a couple of dimbulbs who insisted on being unsubscribed, being unaware that the instructions were contained in the headers in every message. So, our Listmeister, John Berg, inserted the leading header containing the unsubscription instructions.
>
>I agree that there probably is no longer a need to have them there, but only if y'all promise not to start whining about not knowing how to unsubscribe should you decide to leave our number!

I was complaining only about including the instructions in every quotation. That means that one must wade past several iterations of the same thing while hunting for actual text.


--
Regards, Pete


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