Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

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Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
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Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
) Aren't they mad!
Do you remember when we had a whole bunch of them on the list
Witold of Part, Gzres the U-boat captain and Tomasz the wonderful Spadist
those were the days.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 15:01
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> Nick!
> > Saying that, there are various Eastern European Shaolin
> P.E.kung Fu types
> > who would say different. What do they Know? If they turn to
> face you they
> > disappear!
>
> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=147:rwd-6-132&catid=35:relacje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
> Where do they come from? What do they want in this planet?
>
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in
> sight, I reccomend this:
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=150:mi-6-ogon-te-musi-by-pikny&catid=35:rel
> acje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
>
> (browse down the pages to see the latest and more awesome pictures)
> D.
>
>
)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
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) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
) Aren't they mad!
Do you remember when we had a whole bunch of them on the list
Witold of Part, Gzres the U-boat captain and Tomasz the wonderful Spadist
those were the days.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 15:01
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> Nick!
> > Saying that, there are various Eastern European Shaolin
> P.E.kung Fu types
> > who would say different. What do they Know? If they turn to
> face you they
> > disappear!
>
> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=147:rwd-6-132&catid=35:relacje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
> Where do they come from? What do they want in this planet?
>
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in
> sight, I reccomend this:
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=150:mi-6-ogon-te-musi-by-pikny&catid=35:rel
> acje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
>
> (browse down the pages to see the latest and more awesome pictures)
> D.
>
>
) > Probably the same laugh a Neanderthal 1/1 club builder uttered when he
> first
> met a Cro Magnon 1/1 scale spear and bow and arrow builder.

I hate the ****.
D.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
) Aren't they mad!
Do you remember when we had a whole bunch of them on the list
Witold of Part, Gzres the U-boat captain and Tomasz the wonderful Spadist
those were the days.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 15:01
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> Nick!
> > Saying that, there are various Eastern European Shaolin
> P.E.kung Fu types
> > who would say different. What do they Know? If they turn to
> face you they
> > disappear!
>
> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=147:rwd-6-132&catid=35:relacje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
> Where do they come from? What do they want in this planet?
>
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in
> sight, I reccomend this:
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=150:mi-6-ogon-te-musi-by-pikny&catid=35:rel
> acje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
>
> (browse down the pages to see the latest and more awesome pictures)
> D.
>
>
) > Probably the same laugh a Neanderthal 1/1 club builder uttered when he
> first
> met a Cro Magnon 1/1 scale spear and bow and arrow builder.

I hate the ****.
D.

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ...yadda, yadda, yadda...
> I find PE seats quite unrealistic, because they always look stiff
> and thin. I usually make mine from styrene sheet, that can be
> coaxed and sanded to look as upholstered.
>

So THAT'S where my missing money went back in '08...

Karen

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
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) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
) Aren't they mad!
Do you remember when we had a whole bunch of them on the list
Witold of Part, Gzres the U-boat captain and Tomasz the wonderful Spadist
those were the days.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 15:01
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> Nick!
> > Saying that, there are various Eastern European Shaolin
> P.E.kung Fu types
> > who would say different. What do they Know? If they turn to
> face you they
> > disappear!
>
> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=147:rwd-6-132&catid=35:relacje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
> Where do they come from? What do they want in this planet?
>
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in
> sight, I reccomend this:
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=150:mi-6-ogon-te-musi-by-pikny&catid=35:rel
> acje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
>
> (browse down the pages to see the latest and more awesome pictures)
> D.
>
>
) > Probably the same laugh a Neanderthal 1/1 club builder uttered when he
> first
> met a Cro Magnon 1/1 scale spear and bow and arrow builder.

I hate the ****.
D.

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ...yadda, yadda, yadda...
> I find PE seats quite unrealistic, because they always look stiff
> and thin. I usually make mine from styrene sheet, that can be
> coaxed and sanded to look as upholstered.
>

So THAT'S where my missing money went back in '08...

Karen

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> ...
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in sight...

But look what one of them did to a perfectly lovely kit!

http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=137:rolls-royce1924-pattern-
roden-124-galeria&catid=34:galerie-modeli&Itemid=76

Karen

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
) Aren't they mad!
Do you remember when we had a whole bunch of them on the list
Witold of Part, Gzres the U-boat captain and Tomasz the wonderful Spadist
those were the days.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 15:01
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> Nick!
> > Saying that, there are various Eastern European Shaolin
> P.E.kung Fu types
> > who would say different. What do they Know? If they turn to
> face you they
> > disappear!
>
> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=147:rwd-6-132&catid=35:relacje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
> Where do they come from? What do they want in this planet?
>
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in
> sight, I reccomend this:
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=150:mi-6-ogon-te-musi-by-pikny&catid=35:rel
> acje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
>
> (browse down the pages to see the latest and more awesome pictures)
> D.
>
>
) > Probably the same laugh a Neanderthal 1/1 club builder uttered when he
> first
> met a Cro Magnon 1/1 scale spear and bow and arrow builder.

I hate the ****.
D.

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ...yadda, yadda, yadda...
> I find PE seats quite unrealistic, because they always look stiff
> and thin. I usually make mine from styrene sheet, that can be
> coaxed and sanded to look as upholstered.
>

So THAT'S where my missing money went back in '08...

Karen

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> ...
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in sight...

But look what one of them did to a perfectly lovely kit!

http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=137:rolls-royce1924-pattern-
roden-124-galeria&catid=34:galerie-modeli&Itemid=76

Karen

) Currently finding bringing up a 3 month old puppy as tiring as the human
ones we raised a few years ago now, so I managed to bypass all the recent
image submissions (plus any modelling worth a damn). . Rather late to try to
comment individually, so I hereby cop out with a group 'you've all done very
well'.


Paul.

)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
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) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
) Aren't they mad!
Do you remember when we had a whole bunch of them on the list
Witold of Part, Gzres the U-boat captain and Tomasz the wonderful Spadist
those were the days.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 15:01
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> Nick!
> > Saying that, there are various Eastern European Shaolin
> P.E.kung Fu types
> > who would say different. What do they Know? If they turn to
> face you they
> > disappear!
>
> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=147:rwd-6-132&catid=35:relacje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
> Where do they come from? What do they want in this planet?
>
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in
> sight, I reccomend this:
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=150:mi-6-ogon-te-musi-by-pikny&catid=35:rel
> acje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
>
> (browse down the pages to see the latest and more awesome pictures)
> D.
>
>
) > Probably the same laugh a Neanderthal 1/1 club builder uttered when he
> first
> met a Cro Magnon 1/1 scale spear and bow and arrow builder.

I hate the ****.
D.

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ...yadda, yadda, yadda...
> I find PE seats quite unrealistic, because they always look stiff
> and thin. I usually make mine from styrene sheet, that can be
> coaxed and sanded to look as upholstered.
>

So THAT'S where my missing money went back in '08...

Karen

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> ...
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in sight...

But look what one of them did to a perfectly lovely kit!

http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=137:rolls-royce1924-pattern-
roden-124-galeria&catid=34:galerie-modeli&Itemid=76

Karen

) Currently finding bringing up a 3 month old puppy as tiring as the human
ones we raised a few years ago now, so I managed to bypass all the recent
image submissions (plus any modelling worth a damn). . Rather late to try to
comment individually, so I hereby cop out with a group 'you've all done very
well'.


Paul.

) Started my Pup tonight. Cockpit seems a little more fiddly than the
Albatros, but the struts look like they will be easier.
Mike Muth

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On
Behalf Of Robert Karr
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 12:14 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] Test

<>

Yeah- that's part of it! Then Tuesday I dove right back into on the WNW
Roland........ rol-comp..... a fuzzy composite. It's going to be finished in
a couple of days, then directly into one the Pups, both having a "soft"
deadline, sometime in August for delivery.
Robert Karr
http://karrart.com/aviationartlife/?p=706




)

Nick!
> It's like having an OT model show in yer pc. All the subjects that have
> been submitted
> have been lil' stunners.

I heartily agree with this statement.

> I was feeling just a little jaded with it lately, but all those wonderful
> pictures of all them
> wonderful models got me totally motivated for it.

I felt the same way. Yesterday I dedicated a few hours on cleaning and
putting some semblance of order in my stash of kits. This always leave me
with the slightly sad feeling that comes from the realization of not being
capable of completing all the kits I have accumulated. Besides, I cannot
convince myself to part with any of them as I like and covet every little
plastic bundle, having the possibility of becoming little replicas of
beautiful airplanes (and figures, I admit it). After these cleaning sprees I
resolve not to get more kits until... then I find myself daydreaming of
getting that elusive Nieuport I don't have in my collection!
Sheesh!
D.

) Nick!
> Diego, Aint that the truth! Speaking of ''that elusive Nieuport'' ( for me
> read 1/48 Short 184)
> I managed to get just such a kit last week, the TC Resin Short 184. Then
> this week from the
> same seller the later Robey built version came up, and after telling
> myself, right that's it Nick
> me old son, no more I crumled completely and bought that one too.

It's OK as much as you can build them (even if you give the models away once
built). For instance, Dennis or Paul Thompson can allow themselves to
develop a huge stash, knowing that sooner or later they'll build most of
them. On my case, the stash looks as it may loom bigger as long as I can
afford new kits, with no dwindling due to a poor completion rate! And what
makes me mad about it is that there's no one to complain but me!

> The point is, as you say, that's it....until the next irresistable kit
> comes along and wails at the
> door like a puppy from a medical research facility. Oh, joy.

That's why I always prefer rats to puppies.
D.

) >
The 1/48 plans in the FF33 datafile were scaled incorrectly, which has
been noted in the FF33 review in the latest issue of Windsock.



Regards



Dave

<


Yerssssssssssss........ A not uncommon problem. It can work the other way
too. I have an Airkit (formerly Veterans 72) resin of the Fokker D.V which
was based on the plans published in an early Windsock. When the kit came up
for review, the plans had been reprinted in a Datafile. Unfortunately, the
original issue was massively underscaled, so the kit wingspan is just short
of 2 cm undersized. It's a small aeroplane anyway, and in 1/72nd that
creates a massive error. At leasr Rimell pointed out in his review that it
wasn't the manufacturer's fault.


Paul.

) Nick!
> Uh. oh, does this this mean that that the T.C. Resins kit has ''issues''
> on the accuracy front?

There's no 100% accurate kits. The amount of accuracy depends much on the
modeller.
Routinely one makes decisions about what can be lived with and what not. I
recall Alberto Casirati correcting the lenght of his Hanriot C.I vacuform
kit by 1mm, and how can one argue against that? The model looks superb, not
only because of the fuselage length issue, but on the addition of several
small corrections and details, and several simplifications (compromises)
that didn't demean the overall aspect of the model.
I guess that choosing wisely what to correct and what not to add is what
makes the difference between a wonderfully detailed piece of plastic and a
miniature masterpiece.
D.

) > who can tell with that sort of subject?

Alas, he lives in a wonderful country.
D.
which is, as everybody knows, Sweden.
) > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.

) Nick!
> On that basis I'll trust to the plans in the Datafile when it arrives and
> I can
> look them over with the kit to hand to compare the two.

Trust any published drawing as much as you would trust any kit. Check the
scale, check major dimensions to be correctly portrayed by the measurements
given (remember, a drawing can be off scale in just one axis, or skewed).
Checking against photographs can show you different placement of details,
like air scoops and inspection plates, since all these early airplanes
usually had a good deal of variation between batches and manufacturers, and
perhaps the drawing only describes just one variant.

> One of the benefits of seeing and reading everything that goes on round
> here, after I've enjoyed
> the Shane and Neil show, is realising that the bar of what is acceptable
> in a kit is always getting
> higher, hence the amount of work to complete a model also gets larger.

Always a personal choice. I've seen many superbly made kits right out of the
box, but the personal touch is what makes every model unique. Paraphrasing
Antoine de Saint Exupery, ""It is the time you have wasted for your model
that makes your Short 184 so special."
D.

) OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
"Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your food product!

"... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide), rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
And then another great sales point!

The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...

Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...

-----Original Message-----
From: wwi- [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.

> Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I worry about!

They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
D.


) N!
> Nick, you're wise to shy away from any Shane/Neil exchange. That can only
> end
> in grief and misery. I unwittingly stepped into the fray only to be
> called a
> swine for my troubles.

Who called a swine? Did it came in time?
D.
In this city, when you need a swine, they all dissapear or are occupied.
Madness!

) Öcsi!
> Waiting for pictures of Diegos Naglo model!

Evidently, you have sniffed a bit too much surströmming!
D.

) Actually surströmming is quite nice.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> food product!
>
> "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> And then another great sales point!
>
> The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
>
> Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> worry about!
>
> They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> D.
>
>
>
) hej Neil,
how long are you already living in Sweden?
After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!

/Wolfram

Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or scratchbuild the interior.


> Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> /Neil
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > food product!
> >
> > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > And then another great sales point!
> >
> > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> >
> > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wwi-
> > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> >
> > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > worry about!
> >
> > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > D.
> >
> >
> >

--
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) Over 40 years, and surströmming smell isn't as bad as it's made out to be, it's
just another herring.
I think you should scratchbuild the interior, as the Part PE will be too big
to fit, flat section tubing doesn't look as good as home-made, lots of reasons.
PE is like surströmming over-rated!
/Neil


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Wolfram Oettel
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 12:50
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> hej Neil,
> how long are you already living in Sweden?
> After seven years here I don't dare to put surströmming under my nose!
>
> /Wolfram
>
> Unsure if I should wait for Part PE for my Fokker or
> scratchbuild the interior.
>
>
> > Actually surströmming is quite nice.
> > /Neil
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Nicklas, Brian
> > > Sent: den 16 september 2010 18:12
> > > To: 'World War I Modeling Mailing List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > OMG! I just wikipedia'ed "surströmming" - phew!
> > > "Banned by some airlines" now there's a sales point for your
> > > food product!
> > >
> > > "... bacteria produce carbon dioxide and a number of
> > > compounds that account for the unique odor: pungent
> > > (propionic acid), rotten-egg (hydrogen sulfide),
> > > rancid-butter (butyric acid), and vinegary (acetic acid)."
> > > And then another great sales point!
> > >
> > > The second point is probably the reason the airlines banned
> > > it, not the perpetually fermenting while canned...
> > >
> > > Naglo, Albatros, Nieuport...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wwi-
> > > [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:48 AM
> > > To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> > > Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
> > >
> > > > Modellers thrive in Sweden, it's the rest of the country I
> > > worry about!
> > >
> > > They ogle blonde girls and eat surströmming.
> > > D.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> GRATIS: Spider-Man 1-3 sowie 300 weitere Videos!
> Jetzt freischalten! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome
>
) Aren't they mad!
Do you remember when we had a whole bunch of them on the list
Witold of Part, Gzres the U-boat captain and Tomasz the wonderful Spadist
those were the days.
/Neil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwi-
> [mailto:wwi-] On Behalf Of Diego Fernetti
> Sent: den 17 september 2010 15:01
> To: World War I Modeling Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [WWI] All the amazing latest submissions.
>
> Nick!
> > Saying that, there are various Eastern European Shaolin
> P.E.kung Fu types
> > who would say different. What do they Know? If they turn to
> face you they
> > disappear!
>
> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=147:rwd-6-132&catid=35:relacje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
> Where do they come from? What do they want in this planet?
>
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in
> sight, I reccomend this:
> http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?option=com_conte
> nt&view=article&id=150:mi-6-ogon-te-musi-by-pikny&catid=35:rel
> acje-z-budowy&Itemid=77
>
> (browse down the pages to see the latest and more awesome pictures)
> D.
>
>
) > Probably the same laugh a Neanderthal 1/1 club builder uttered when he
> first
> met a Cro Magnon 1/1 scale spear and bow and arrow builder.

I hate the ****.
D.

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 7:16 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ...yadda, yadda, yadda...
> I find PE seats quite unrealistic, because they always look stiff
> and thin. I usually make mine from styrene sheet, that can be
> coaxed and sanded to look as upholstered.
>

So THAT'S where my missing money went back in '08...

Karen

) On Sep 17, 2010, at 9:01 AM, Diego Fernetti wrote:

> ot warning:
> The famous PE ninjas from Poland!
> ...
> BTW, and to see that these deranged Poles can do even without
> photoetched in sight...

But look what one of them did to a perfectly lovely kit!

http://www.modelarstworedukcyjne.pl/index.php?
option=com_content&view=article&id=137:rolls-royce1924-pattern-
roden-124-galeria&catid=34:galerie-modeli&Itemid=76

Karen

) Currently finding bringing up a 3 month old puppy as tiring as the human
ones we raised a few years ago now, so I managed to bypass all the recent
image submissions (plus any modelling worth a damn). . Rather late to try to
comment individually, so I hereby cop out with a group 'you've all done very
well'.


Paul.

) Started my Pup tonight. Cockpit seems a little more fiddly than the
Albatros, but the struts look like they will be easier.
Mike Muth

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Yeah- that's part of it! Then Tuesday I dove right back into on the WNW
Roland........ rol-comp..... a fuzzy composite. It's going to be finished in
a couple of days, then directly into one the Pups, both having a "soft"
deadline, sometime in August for delivery.
Robert Karr
http://karrart.com/aviationartlife/?p=706




)
ping.
D.
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