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# 1

01-09-2010 02:38 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
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# 2

01-09-2010 02:51 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
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# 3

01-09-2010 02:59 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
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# 4

01-09-2010 03:01 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
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# 5

01-09-2010 03:03 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
Empower your Business with BlackBerry® and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat
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Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
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# 6

01-09-2010 03:07 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
Empower your Business with BlackBerry® and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
|
# 7

01-09-2010 03:15 AM
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|
Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
Empower your Business with BlackBerry® and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
|
# 8

01-09-2010 03:34 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
Empower your Business with BlackBerry® and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
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)
Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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01-09-2010 03:40 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
Empower your Business with BlackBerry® and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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)
Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
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)
Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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# 10

01-09-2010 04:31 AM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
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)
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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)
Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
Empower your Business with BlackBerry® and Mobile Solutions from Etisalat
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello
(416) 803-7264
http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
)
Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
-Soter
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
-Soter
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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01-09-2010 11:12 PM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
-Soter
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
-Soter
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The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
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The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
But here's some welcome news for all of us NRIs.
If this becomes reality -Perhaps we can bring a change this time around.
All this time we were just writing and shouting from the rooftops ...
Today Herald-
http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Main%20Page%20News/NRIs-get-right-to-vote/40470.html
NRIs get right to vote
NEW DELHI, AUG 31
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01-09-2010 11:17 PM
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
But here's some welcome news for all of us NRIs.
If this becomes reality -Perhaps we can bring a change this time around.
All this time we were just writing and shouting from the rooftops ...
Today Herald-
http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Main%20Page%20News/NRIs-get-right-to-vote/40470.html
NRIs get right to vote
NEW DELHI, AUG 31
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I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent
visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to
improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at
all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my forefathers and
that alone is enough for me to be serious about what I am trying to do,
including the campaign on mining in Goa, which is going fine thank you
very much; it is a longterm struggle which I am trying to tackle
strategically and with lots of groundwork. This is a campaign that
concerns all goans and I hope you all will support us when we call for help!
As for corruption - give me one example of a country where there is no
corruption. We must fight it day and night, and try everything to
eradicate it from Goa.
Cheers
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
But here's some welcome news for all of us NRIs.
If this becomes reality -Perhaps we can bring a change this time around.
All this time we were just writing and shouting from the rooftops ...
Today Herald-
http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Main%20Page%20News/NRIs-get-right-to-vote/40470.html
NRIs get right to vote
NEW DELHI, AUG 31
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Mr Bernardo Colaco
I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent
visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to
improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at
all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my forefathers and
that alone is enough for me to be serious about what I am trying to do,
including the campaign on mining in Goa, which is going fine thank you
very much; it is a longterm struggle which I am trying to tackle
strategically and with lots of groundwork. This is a campaign that
concerns all goans and I hope you all will support us when we call for help!
As for corruption - give me one example of a country where there is no
corruption. We must fight it day and night, and try everything to
eradicate it from Goa.
Cheers
Carmen
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Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breathe of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
From: Benedict Lobo
More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
But here's some welcome news for all of us NRIs.
If this becomes reality -Perhaps we can bring a change this time around.
All this time we were just writing and shouting from the rooftops ...
Today Herald-
http://www.oheraldo.in/news/Main%20Page%20News/NRIs-get-right-to-vote/40470.html
NRIs get right to vote
NEW DELHI, AUG 31
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Mr Bernardo Colaco
I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent
visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to
improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at
all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my forefathers and
that alone is enough for me to be serious about what I am trying to do,
including the campaign on mining in Goa, which is going fine thank you
very much; it is a longterm struggle which I am trying to tackle
strategically and with lots of groundwork. This is a campaign that
concerns all goans and I hope you all will support us when we call for help!
As for corruption - give me one example of a country where there is no
corruption. We must fight it day and night, and try everything to
eradicate it from Goa.
Cheers
Carmen
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Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breathe of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
From: Benedict Lobo
More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
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Dear Benedict,
In continuation of my e-mail below, my apologies I missed to mention
that there are Goans in New South Wales as well.
Best
Oscar
From: Oscar Lobo
Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breath of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
goasuraj
9890470896
http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp must happen if Goa is to
be ruled by GOANs
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
But here's some welcome news for all of us NRIs.
If this becomes reality -Perhaps we can bring a change this time around.
All this time we were just writing and shouting from the rooftops ...
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I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent
visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to
improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at
all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my forefathers and
that alone is enough for me to be serious about what I am trying to do,
including the campaign on mining in Goa, which is going fine thank you
very much; it is a longterm struggle which I am trying to tackle
strategically and with lots of groundwork. This is a campaign that
concerns all goans and I hope you all will support us when we call for help!
As for corruption - give me one example of a country where there is no
corruption. We must fight it day and night, and try everything to
eradicate it from Goa.
Cheers
Carmen
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Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breathe of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
From: Benedict Lobo
More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
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Dear Benedict,
In continuation of my e-mail below, my apologies I missed to mention
that there are Goans in New South Wales as well.
Best
Oscar
From: Oscar Lobo
Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breath of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
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Hi Benedict,
Only NRI’s? Only if the Government is open about granting proper dual
citizenship will it have much meaning. Of all the Goans listed by you
as living in various countries overseas, can you say how many of these
Goans are NRI’s? I would say very few indeed, if you stop counting
those in the Gulf region.
Here in Australia we have a great example of how the Italians have their
own representatives elected to the Italian Parliament from among
Italians in Australia! Any one of Italian descent can get registered as
a dual Italian citizen with the right to vote.
Only when this happens to Indians who hold other citizenships, will
something really change.
I love Bernard’s idea about an interim Government. After all, Goa was
invaded against the wishes of blue blooded Goans.
Regards
Salus Correia
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
Cynthia
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
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Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
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I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent
visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to
improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at
all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my forefathers and
that alone is enough for me to be serious about what I am trying to do,
including the campaign on mining in Goa, which is going fine thank you
very much; it is a longterm struggle which I am trying to tackle
strategically and with lots of groundwork. This is a campaign that
concerns all goans and I hope you all will support us when we call for help!
As for corruption - give me one example of a country where there is no
corruption. We must fight it day and night, and try everything to
eradicate it from Goa.
Cheers
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Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breathe of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
From: Benedict Lobo
More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
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Dear Benedict,
In continuation of my e-mail below, my apologies I missed to mention
that there are Goans in New South Wales as well.
Best
Oscar
From: Oscar Lobo
Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breath of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
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Hi Benedict,
Only NRI’s? Only if the Government is open about granting proper dual
citizenship will it have much meaning. Of all the Goans listed by you
as living in various countries overseas, can you say how many of these
Goans are NRI’s? I would say very few indeed, if you stop counting
those in the Gulf region.
Here in Australia we have a great example of how the Italians have their
own representatives elected to the Italian Parliament from among
Italians in Australia! Any one of Italian descent can get registered as
a dual Italian citizen with the right to vote.
Only when this happens to Indians who hold other citizenships, will
something really change.
I love Bernard’s idea about an interim Government. After all, Goa was
invaded against the wishes of blue blooded Goans.
Regards
Salus Correia
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Every Government since 1961 has been an interim Government in Goa but
without any Governance !!!!!!
Governments in Goa fall at a drop of a hat depending on who is plotting
against whom and who gets what portfolio that can make the most amount
of money.
Even as we speak the so called gang of 7 or 9 MLAs maybe plotting
against Digambar Ali Baba Kamat who spends all his time looking over
his shoulder or removing the knives from his back.
It is like a Merry Go Round in a fair or a bunch of clowns in a Circus
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Dear Gasper, Cajetan, Floriano & Matanhy
Thank you for your respective thoughts. Gasper I am glad that Cajetan
made your day.
I share your “I believe’ mantra as well as educating the public. What
time span do you reckon this “mantra” can be achieved vis-à-vis the
corruption prevalent particularly after 19 December 1961?
Is Goa only full of Catholic, Muslim and Hindu Goan brothers and sisters
to generalise “Maka kiteak podlam”. What about the new Goans after the
invasion/liberation/separation whatever other
nomenclature that is used.
It has been exactly 48 years and 8 months for the education process.
Are votes being able to be purchased either directly or indirectly for
whatever social status?
In the modern day politics how many educated people can see through and
through the party lines and choose to stand as independent candidates or
join a new party such as “Goa Suraj” who has some
good philosophies and backbone. People belonging to the old party lines
have allegiance to the party on a “blind fold basis” even though they
know that their party is wrong on certain issue
and this has been the case for centuries throughout the world.
History of India reveals that India did not attempt to change the “I
believe” mantra, so why this belief would be extended to Goa being part
of India?
What we need to eradicate is not only “ Maka kiteack podlam” but perhaps
“Maka poishe zaem” – corruption – can we do something about corruption
as I believe both these issues are interconnected.
For the sake of new addressed added to this mini list, in addition to
the exchange of e-mail below, I am attaching a copy of an e-mail
received today from our Floriano Lobo (addressed to you and
a copy endorsed to me) and an e-mail from Mr. Matanhy Saldanha dated 28
August 2010 for the benefit of all.
I reiterate my statement in my appended e-mail of 28 August 2010 “Goans
should run Goa, like East Timores, Falkland Island et al” If this
happens (albeit Gasper says “as if Sonia Gandhi is not aware of
what is going on”) – does Sonia Gandhi know how Goans feel and are
capable of managing Goa and has any Goan delegation met with her in
person? Her late husband late Rajiv Gandhi as I said before
had a soft corner for Goa unlike his grand father Pandit Jawaharlal
Nehru is on record saying “Goa kha lokh ajeem hai” and somewhere he
mentioned that Goans were known to be Cooks. The Keralites when
they have to refer a Goan in their Malaylam language they refer Goans as
ABC (Ayah, Butler and Cood) and this is a fact told to me by a Keralite
when I worked in Q8 some two decades ago.
I believe our Goans have excelled in Middle East, Goa and elsewhere.
Goans in Middle East are the most vital people outside of Goa to
contribute (and have always been contributing) and as Mr. Matanhy
Saldanha says: “But unless the NR Goans get seriously committed,
we cannot really move ahead on that front”. Here is a clear call from a
great Goan who has done lots for the Goan common man i.e. Raponkars etc.
We need to show the Delhi authorities that Goans are not those that are
projected in bolly-wood films. Great letters have gone from our
energetic and talented Arwin Mesquita, Matanhy Saldanha and other
prominent Goans
in Goa and other parts of the world.
I believe a personal presentation to Sonia Gandhi would add benefit to
the “I believe” Mantra which could be extended to Delhi as well.
We have spent lot of time celebrating our culture (which is good),
however, we need to step aside and get out of our comfort zone include
our respected Freedom Fighters who role in “I believe” mantra is
more important than many of us.
It would be great to receive views from all. I am happy to learn and be
corrected and I will respect all views without a scorn.
The Power of a Paradigm change is vital in our generation.
Regards
Oscar C. Lobo
Melbourne.
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Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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Good question, indeed, Mr. Floriano.
Regards/Gaspar Almeida
From: floriano
Dear Oscar,
Let me ask you just one solitary question.
WHO IS SONIA GANDHI???
That is w.r.t. GOA OF OUR DREAMS????
Cheer
floriano
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It's the job and look-out of Goa state Congress president [Subhash
Shirodkar] and the MPs who are sitting in the LS and RS in Delhi to
sincerely update the Congress President/High Command, etc. on what's
going on in the State of Goa!
The GSCP should be bombarded with all such requests, and as we have
often done, via email/post/fax.
Cheers and thanks for highlighting Goasuraj Party. Let's see how you
can support the party and its cherished ideals!
Almeida Gaspar
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Hi, I second this Q. Why, Who, Sonia.
Here we go again, emails flowing from North/South/East/West. While our
MotherLand Goa remains unchanged.
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Friends,
We can have it 2 ways.
One – As Oscar suggested send the petition demanding Special Status
(online will be more convenient) to Mrs Sonia Gandhi since she is The
Chairman of UPA and President of Congress. And wait for the result
within a set deadline of 2-3 months. The Demand must include the
introduction and passage of the Bill in Parliament to grant Special
Status to Goa within next 6 months. Besides, Mr Saldanha, we have our
very own NRI Commissioner Mr Eduardo Faleiro who enjoys good rapport
with Congress High Command and NRG's. Mr Eduardo Faleiro could take this
forward with his congress men/women. He is indeed copy holder of this
message. Most of the listed items by Mr Saldanha are local issues which
our elected MLA has to work on and does not require Union Government
intervention.
Two – Give support to Goa-Su-Raj Party or any like minded people who are
ready to fight election in 2012 to save Goa for Goans. We have seen the
all parties ruling Goa but no one worked for Goa but for its individual
interest. Many so-called Congress man/women have put self interest
ahead of the party and Goa. If Goans had been so generous with all the
LOOT-MAR parties for 49 years Goa-Su-Raj Party deserves at least one
opportunity to prove its mantle.
Lastly, charity begins at home! Shun the politician’s politics (not
individuals) by boycotting them publicly. As individual, they are all
nice in private but their public life and service to Goan cause is pathetic.
Warm regards,
Agnelo Pinheiro
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Dear Floriano and Gasper
I waited to see various responses to answer your one solitary question.
My answer is that Sonia Gandhi is Congress women and the one who is
talking to people will be contesting the elections pretty soon.
In case Goa-Suraj or independent party is mushrooms than great. If not,
our visit to Sonia may bear fruits.
What is lost if we make a contact with Sonia – she has best of both
worlds in her brains and the magic moments she shared with
her husband late Rajiv and his soft corner for Goa and Remo and take a
leverage of this and place before us the important issues
that she can influence on her part.
Floriano I did not mean to undermine your Goa-Suraj party instead I
professed that people have a golden opportunity to give your
party a chance. I do this with e-mails to my close friends and families
in Goa propagating about your party.
Feed back from Agnelo Pinheiro of date refers, as well as Joseph
Rebello’s food for thought – Once upon a Time is attached. Please have a
read.
Matanhy Saldanha whose views I also appreciate felt that there was a
merit to see Sonia Gandhi.
I have deleted most of those e-mails addresses that came along with
Matanhy Saldanha’s e-mail of 28 August and left a few whom I know.
I appreciate your point that some of our Goans like to go light; however
I thought all of us are passionate about Goa of our Dreams to retain
with us.
Thank you for your feed back.
Regards
Oscar
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Carmen,
You are spot on!!!!
You have hit the nail on many heads!!!! If only some sense could be
drilled into the thick skulls of the money grabbing electorate at the
same time it would work wonders!!!
The power of education , or the power of T-Shirts or the Power of
Money...Which one will prevail is the question!
At the moment Goa is so riddled with corruption from Top to Bottom from
Legislators to Law enforcers to the Judiciary and the electorate and the
Civil Service that ultimately MONEY still talks.
President's Rule is the answer for a sustained period of time with
sweeping powers for the CBI and other national agencies, emergency long
working courts to deal ruthlessly with thugs whilst the revolution,
renaissance, renewal of hearts and minds takes place....It will cut out
the money supply and abuse networks. If insufficient prisons, use the
River Princess abandoned ship in Candolim as a floating prison and the
Fort Aguada jail.
It has worked in the past and it will work again !!!!
--- On Tue, 31/8/10, Carmen Miranda wrote:
Dear Mr Rebello
I am a bit puzzled by the e-mails you sent me, linked to this call for
Goans to rule Goa. Who has been rulling Goa for the past 48 years?
Aren't all our politicians, MPs, MLAs and the lot all pure local goans?
Do you really believe Sonia Gandhi and the centre are that concerned
and have nothing else to do but spend time trying to manipulated the
everyday governance or rather the lack of it, in Goa? I don't think so.
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Carmen ,
The Tar Balls on Goa's beaches in the last few days typifies what is
wrong with Goa....This is not the first time it has happened and yet
Digambar Ali Baba Kamat and his 40 thieves have no answer, no strategy
and no clue on how to deal with this pollution and damage to the
environment ...!!! Why????????? Simple because there is no MONEY FOR
THEM IN doing so. They have sent some Ghantis to clear it up by
collecting the tar balls and burying them on the beach itself where they
could re-surface. Despite this lack of knowledge commitment and
leadership on such a simple perennial issue one of Diggu's corrupt thugs
namely JOKING ALEMAO is busy trying to rob the land at Cutbona Jetty,
Velim from the decent and hard working villagers of Velim against their
will to build a fish meal plant of which he knows even less of. His only
interest is because of the huge kickback he will make on the plant and
on the forced acquisition of the land for peanuts...... These monkeys in
the Government should deal with Tar Balls before delving into other
unnecessary projects to fill their deep corrupt immoral pockets. The
people of Velim, Assolna and Cuncolim will and their supporters
throughout the world will fight this corrupt Fisheries Minister tooth
and nail to ensure that he deals with the Tar Balls on the Beach and NOT
THE DISGUSTING ROTTEN FISH MEAL PLANT AT CUTBONA or to continue their
smuggling of Gold that shot him into prominence even if it means tarring
his own Balls !!!!! Pray for the success of the Velim Peoples Fight
against the Fisheries MINISTER, STINKING FISHY JOKING ALEMAO.
On the 1st September 2010 there is another Gram Sabha in Velim that the
FISHY JOKING ALEMAO will keep away, from for fear of answering an honest
question and having his parts tarred. He should realise that the Tar
Balls are a greater threat to Fish and requires greater urgency than a
Fish Meal Plant !!!!!!! He has enough space in his bedroom to put the
plant in !!!!!!!!
The Theft of the land in Quitol by the corrupt peasant MLA and GIDC
chairman Babu Chor Kavlekar aided and abetted by other MLA thugs under
the pretext of building a foodpark is another such crime that is being
and will continue to be fought until the bitter end !!!!!!
Long may the fights continue for justice honesty and decency and a
vindication for the good decent people of Goa and in the diaspora
!!!!!!! !!!!!
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The slogan "Goa to be ruled by Goans' may sound very attractive and exciting. It is a perfect subject for mental ****. Besides this, it offers excellent campaign material for aspiring politicians to entice the voters during election.
We had the Goa Election 2007 fought on the 'Save Goa' slogan. Now for the next Assembly election it could be 'Rule Goa' as the slogan. And you may suddenly have a Rule Goa Party which will be merged back into Congress after the assembly polls. Forget that the miseries of goans have not diminished a bit from 2007 till 2010. The Regional Plan 2021 will be out any moment. The last time it was Babush who was the culprit for a monstrous plan. Who will it be this time? Will we have the guts to hold the architects and engineers of Save Goa fame who have been responsible for crafting this new plan. Do you exopect it to be any different with the likes of Dattas and Deans on the panel.
Shortly, we will all humbly submit before the government to yet another entertainment. The celebration of our Golden Jubilee of liberation. We will have some jokers from margao who will come to town with their circus. You will be told how as goans you have not assimilated yourself into the Indian mainstream. There will be programs to help you goans to inculcate a spirit of nationalism. All this will be swallowed without a whimper of protest.
As long as goans cannot think beyond Sonia Gandhi, Manohar Parrikar and Oscar Rebello, the day they will rule their own land will never come. Like the Israelites in captivity it will be the Gawade or Ramani or Gupta or Parekh that will rule.
Self-rule is not about wearing a T-shirt and TV appearances. It is about sacrifice, deprivation of self, spirituality, pain, ................... How many goans are ready to give up their comforts for this? If there are, it is worth talking otherwise it will be only adding to item numbers in the movie.
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Tony
The Ghantis who are clearing the tar balls in the beaches of Goa should
be instructed to take and dump them in the front garden of Joaquim
Alemao - that is the only way he may get the message that he needs to be
serious about this issue.
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
If we had honest, strong people with vision and above all educated and
with some ideals , we could resolve the problem of Goa within India.
For years now we have proved that we are not even capable of chosing a
decent number of politicians to rule in Goa. Do you really think there
is any chance at all we will get a different status for Goa? If we get
Presidential rule , that will be enough to put things right.
If anyone is ready for action, let us start with fundamentals - start a
campaign agaisnt corruption.
Carmen
to clear it up by collecting the tar balls and burying them
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Bernado Colaco wrote:
There is no governance in Goa since 1961. Goa has been looted by the neo
colonial rulers, the elected reps in Goa are mere puppets to the current
rule. Billions have been taken from for development of other areas, our
civilian airport and other areas have been occupied by outsiders. In
short Goa has been stripped! Why do we need democracy to govern.? Can we
not have an interim government under the auspices of the UN (the one who
encouraged the invasion of Goa) to rule Goa. Or can we not live under
one country two system like that of HK and Macau? In other words have
our on mini constitution (only an excerpt) as below
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Dear Carmen,
More Power to you.
From another one just like you.
Cynthia
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Dona Carmen,
Your theory will not work because we are colonized by one of the most
corrupt countries in the world. We are like POW's (Dr. Falcao) in Goa
after 61. We have no control over our destiny. Presidential rule is mere
garbage. I am not to sure if you have ever lived in Goa! What happened
to your mining campaign?
BC
And Bernardo,
We must be realistic. I sincerely don't believe that any other
"umbrella" for Goa will solve the problem of the type of people who are
rulling Goa.
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More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
But here's some welcome news for all of us NRIs.
If this becomes reality -Perhaps we can bring a change this time around.
All this time we were just writing and shouting from the rooftops ...
Today Herald-
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NRIs get right to vote
NEW DELHI, AUG 31
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I was born in Goa, I lived in Goa, I studied in Goa, I am frequent
visitor to Goa , but my visits are mostly to just work on trying to
improve things in Goa. I don't have any interests or any thing in Goa at
all except my heart. It is my homeland, the land of my forefathers and
that alone is enough for me to be serious about what I am trying to do,
including the campaign on mining in Goa, which is going fine thank you
very much; it is a longterm struggle which I am trying to tackle
strategically and with lots of groundwork. This is a campaign that
concerns all goans and I hope you all will support us when we call for help!
As for corruption - give me one example of a country where there is no
corruption. We must fight it day and night, and try everything to
eradicate it from Goa.
Cheers
Carmen
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Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breathe of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
From: Benedict Lobo
More than 30% of educated Goans (Mostly Christians) are living in 43
other countries.Out of which, fifty six percent are in the Middle East.
Another 13 percent are in Europe, 11 percent in South and South East
Asia, and 10 percent are in North America.Besides seven percent of the
state’s emigrants are working aboard ships.So what do you expect ???????
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Dear Benedict,
In continuation of my e-mail below, my apologies I missed to mention
that there are Goans in New South Wales as well.
Best
Oscar
From: Oscar Lobo
Dear Benedict,
Thank you for your e-mail of date.
Good to hear the composition of our Goans and their spread throughout
the length and breath of the universe. We surely are voyagers like
Vasco De Gama.
By way of my contribution to the number of people of Goan origin living
overseas, in Australia we reckon there are about circa 60,000 people in
cities states like Victoria, Western Australia, Brisbane and South
Australia.
Best
Oscar
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Hi Benedict,
Only NRI’s? Only if the Government is open about granting proper dual
citizenship will it have much meaning. Of all the Goans listed by you
as living in various countries overseas, can you say how many of these
Goans are NRI’s? I would say very few indeed, if you stop counting
those in the Gulf region.
Here in Australia we have a great example of how the Italians have their
own representatives elected to the Italian Parliament from among
Italians in Australia! Any one of Italian descent can get registered as
a dual Italian citizen with the right to vote.
Only when this happens to Indians who hold other citizenships, will
something really change.
I love Bernard’s idea about an interim Government. After all, Goa was
invaded against the wishes of blue blooded Goans.
Regards
Salus Correia
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Every Government since 1961 has been an interim Government in Goa but
without any Governance !!!!!!
Governments in Goa fall at a drop of a hat depending on who is plotting
against whom and who gets what portfolio that can make the most amount
of money.
Even as we speak the so called gang of 7 or 9 MLAs maybe plotting
against Digambar Ali Baba Kamat who spends all his time looking over
his shoulder or removing the knives from his back.
It is like a Merry Go Round in a fair or a bunch of clowns in a Circus
!!!!!!
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Hi Anesimo,
I presume you meant to send your appended e-mail of date to me for
information or to Benedict and wrongly addressed to me.
In any way, you are right in the strategy you have outlined.
Benedict - you guys in the Middle East are in a position to play a
pivotal role in Anesimo's strategy.
We can do it and can we please do something about it; a change from our
regular cultural events.
Regards
Oscar
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Subject: RE: Fw: Goa to be ruled by Goans.
Benedict
I always said that Gulf Goans can make a real change in goa. They will
ultimatley settle in goa and have all their families and friends there.
Last time we tried hard to convince them to Support Mathany so as to
Give Jolt o the Corruprt Congress.That would have been a start
somewhere.All they need is to phone all their relatives and friends to
kick out all these goons. It will make a huge difference , spcially in
salcette where the Catholics doninate politics. They can do it next
time. All we need is short list Candidates from each Constituency and
this coiuld be done at all parish councill meetings where church yields
quite a bit of influence.
Next election would be our last chance.If Catholics want to have some
hold in Goa, we better elect our own guys so that we can have a
bargaining power, including counter communalism. There are pleny of
catholic guys around who given our support will get elected.
rest of NRIS/NRGS can contribute in many ways, specially in the form of
education and publicity.REMEMBER, GOAN POLITICIANS ARE **** SCARED OF
OVERSEAS GOANS AS THEY CANT CONTROL AND MANIPULATE THEM
cheers
Anesimo
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