this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the
garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




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garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




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dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




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garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




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dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




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Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Dear Grandma Rita,
Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
"unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point
would be Adolf Hitler.
I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a
primitive human characteristic (emotions).

My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
the morning.
But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars
(or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:

> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <>wrote:
>
>> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
>> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
>> my position on Foreign Policy.
>>
>> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
>> He's never asked me.
>> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>>
>> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
>> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>>
>> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
>> such as you, to tilt.
>>
>> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>>
>> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>>
>> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kristi Stone <>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
>> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
>> goes for everyone on this list too)
>>
>>
>>
>> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to
>> use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will
>> delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are
>> an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
>> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
>> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kristi
>>
>> Website Committee Representative
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sdlibchat- [mailto:
>> sdlibchat-] *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you **** off!
>> Mother **** Bruce!
>> You mother **** you
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for
>> his military welfare complex.
>>
>> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
>> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
>> party.
>>
>> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
>> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
>> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* alex thomas <
>> >
>>
>>
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> **** you guys!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>>
>> some personality flaw, according to him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>>
>> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>>
>> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Jesse!?
>>
>> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>>
>> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>>
>> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
>> >
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>>
>> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
>> different than republicans anyway.
>> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an
>> immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything
>> anti-government?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a terrible idea.
>>
>> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
>> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
>> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
>> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
>> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
>> Geof Gibson <>,
>> bob giramma <
>> >
>> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>>
>> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
>> Day�*
>>
>> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
>> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>>
>> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
>> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
>> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
>> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
>> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
>> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
>> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
>> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
>> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
>> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
>> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
>> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
>> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
>> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
>> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
>> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
>> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>>
>> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
>> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
>> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
>> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
>> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
>> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
>> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
>> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
>> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
>> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
>> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
>> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>>
>> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
>> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
>> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
>> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
>> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
>> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
>> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
>> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
>> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
>> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
>> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
>> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
>> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
>> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
>> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
>> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
>> count.
>>
>> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
>> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
>> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>>
>> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who
>> understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary
>> relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get
>> what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left,
>> right, and middle.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the
garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




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dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Dear Grandma Rita,
Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
"unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point
would be Adolf Hitler.
I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a
primitive human characteristic (emotions).

My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
the morning.
But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars
(or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:

> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <>wrote:
>
>> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
>> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
>> my position on Foreign Policy.
>>
>> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
>> He's never asked me.
>> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>>
>> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
>> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>>
>> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
>> such as you, to tilt.
>>
>> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>>
>> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>>
>> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kristi Stone <>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
>> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
>> goes for everyone on this list too)
>>
>>
>>
>> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to
>> use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will
>> delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are
>> an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
>> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
>> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kristi
>>
>> Website Committee Representative
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sdlibchat- [mailto:
>> sdlibchat-] *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you **** off!
>> Mother **** Bruce!
>> You mother **** you
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for
>> his military welfare complex.
>>
>> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
>> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
>> party.
>>
>> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
>> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
>> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* alex thomas <
>> >
>>
>>
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> **** you guys!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>>
>> some personality flaw, according to him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>>
>> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>>
>> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Jesse!?
>>
>> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>>
>> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>>
>> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
>> >
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>>
>> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
>> different than republicans anyway.
>> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an
>> immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything
>> anti-government?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a terrible idea.
>>
>> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
>> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
>> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
>> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
>> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
>> Geof Gibson <>,
>> bob giramma <
>> >
>> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>>
>> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
>> Day�*
>>
>> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
>> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>>
>> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
>> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
>> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
>> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
>> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
>> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
>> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
>> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
>> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
>> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
>> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
>> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
>> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
>> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
>> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
>> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
>> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>>
>> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
>> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
>> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
>> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
>> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
>> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
>> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
>> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
>> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
>> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
>> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
>> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>>
>> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
>> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
>> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
>> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
>> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
>> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
>> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
>> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
>> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
>> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
>> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
>> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
>> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
>> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
>> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
>> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
>> count.
>>
>> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
>> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
>> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>>
>> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who
>> understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary
>> relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get
>> what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left,
>> right, and middle.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:

From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM

dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe.

this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the
garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. What's a "dod" ???
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
Sender: sdlibchat-
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:48:26
Reply-To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe.
dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Dear Grandma Rita,
Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
"unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point
would be Adolf Hitler.
I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a
primitive human characteristic (emotions).

My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
the morning.
But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars
(or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:

> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <>wrote:
>
>> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
>> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
>> my position on Foreign Policy.
>>
>> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
>> He's never asked me.
>> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>>
>> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
>> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>>
>> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
>> such as you, to tilt.
>>
>> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>>
>> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>>
>> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kristi Stone <>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
>> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
>> goes for everyone on this list too)
>>
>>
>>
>> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to
>> use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will
>> delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are
>> an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
>> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
>> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kristi
>>
>> Website Committee Representative
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sdlibchat- [mailto:
>> sdlibchat-] *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you **** off!
>> Mother **** Bruce!
>> You mother **** you
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for
>> his military welfare complex.
>>
>> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
>> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
>> party.
>>
>> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
>> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
>> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* alex thomas <
>> >
>>
>>
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> **** you guys!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>>
>> some personality flaw, according to him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>>
>> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>>
>> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Jesse!?
>>
>> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>>
>> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>>
>> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
>> >
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>>
>> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
>> different than republicans anyway.
>> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an
>> immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything
>> anti-government?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a terrible idea.
>>
>> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
>> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
>> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
>> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
>> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
>> Geof Gibson <>,
>> bob giramma <
>> >
>> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>>
>> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
>> Day�*
>>
>> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
>> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>>
>> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
>> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
>> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
>> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
>> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
>> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
>> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
>> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
>> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
>> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
>> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
>> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
>> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
>> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
>> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
>> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
>> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>>
>> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
>> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
>> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
>> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
>> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
>> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
>> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
>> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
>> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
>> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
>> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
>> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>>
>> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
>> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
>> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
>> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
>> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
>> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
>> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
>> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
>> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
>> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
>> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
>> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
>> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
>> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
>> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
>> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
>> count.
>>
>> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
>> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
>> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>>
>> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who
>> understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary
>> relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get
>> what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left,
>> right, and middle.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:

From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM

dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck all day. End Social Security

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <> wrote:

From: alex thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM

Dear Grandma Rita,
      Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is "unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point would be Adolf Hitler.

I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
     
      My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes, nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in the morning.

But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).

There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

     What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:


dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama






From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(

It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:



From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>

Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )

 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas

Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.


Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?


 




From: alex thomas <>




To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:



From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.


 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT

To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>

Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).


September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.


Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.


Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.


San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the
garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
Sender: sdlibchat-
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:48:26
Reply-To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Dear Grandma Rita,
Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
"unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point
would be Adolf Hitler.
I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a
primitive human characteristic (emotions).

My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
the morning.
But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars
(or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:

> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <>wrote:
>
>> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
>> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
>> my position on Foreign Policy.
>>
>> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
>> He's never asked me.
>> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>>
>> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
>> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>>
>> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
>> such as you, to tilt.
>>
>> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>>
>> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>>
>> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kristi Stone <>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
>> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
>> goes for everyone on this list too)
>>
>>
>>
>> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to
>> use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will
>> delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are
>> an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
>> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
>> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kristi
>>
>> Website Committee Representative
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sdlibchat- [mailto:
>> sdlibchat-] *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you **** off!
>> Mother **** Bruce!
>> You mother **** you
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for
>> his military welfare complex.
>>
>> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
>> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
>> party.
>>
>> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
>> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
>> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* alex thomas <
>> >
>>
>>
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> **** you guys!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>>
>> some personality flaw, according to him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>>
>> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>>
>> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Jesse!?
>>
>> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>>
>> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>>
>> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
>> >
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>>
>> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
>> different than republicans anyway.
>> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an
>> immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything
>> anti-government?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a terrible idea.
>>
>> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
>> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
>> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
>> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
>> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
>> Geof Gibson <>,
>> bob giramma <
>> >
>> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>>
>> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
>> Day�*
>>
>> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
>> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>>
>> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
>> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
>> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
>> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
>> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
>> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
>> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
>> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
>> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
>> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
>> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
>> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
>> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
>> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
>> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
>> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
>> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>>
>> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
>> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
>> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
>> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
>> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
>> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
>> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
>> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
>> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
>> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
>> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
>> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>>
>> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
>> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
>> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
>> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
>> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
>> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
>> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
>> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
>> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
>> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
>> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
>> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
>> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
>> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
>> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
>> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
>> count.
>>
>> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
>> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
>> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>>
>> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who
>> understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary
>> relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get
>> what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left,
>> right, and middle.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:

From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM

dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck all day. End Social Security

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <> wrote:

From: alex thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM

Dear Grandma Rita,
      Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is "unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point would be Adolf Hitler.

I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
     
      My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes, nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in the morning.

But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).

There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

     What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:


dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama






From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(

It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:



From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>

Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )

 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas

Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.


Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?


 




From: alex thomas <>




To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:



From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.


 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT

To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>

Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).


September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.


Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.


Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.


San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. @over9000
You sound just like my father.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, over9000
<>wrote:

> Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you
> love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck
> all day. End Social Security
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <>* wrote:
>
>
> From: alex thomas <>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
> Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM
>
>
> Dear Grandma Rita,
> Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
> "unintelligent"?
> If so, you have at last made my point.
> Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in
> point would be Adolf Hitler.
> I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such
> a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
>
> My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
> nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
> the morning.
> But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million
> dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
> But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
> omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
> There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".
>
> What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <
> > wrote:
>
> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <
> > wrote:
>
> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
> my position on Foreign Policy.
>
> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
> He's never asked me.
> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>
> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>
> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
> such as you, to tilt.
>
> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>
> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>
> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kristi Stone <>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <
> >
> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <
> >
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>
>
>
>
> Alex,
>
>
>
> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
> goes for everyone on this list too)
>
>
>
> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use
> such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete
> you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an
> intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Kristi
>
> Website Committee Representative
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* sdlibchat-[mailto:
> sdlibchat-]
> *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
>
> Why don't you **** off!
> Mother **** Bruce!
> You mother **** you
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
> wrote:
>
> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his
> military welfare complex.
>
> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
> party.
>
> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
> wrote:
>
> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
>
>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
>
> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> **** you guys!
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
> wrote:
>
> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>
> some personality flaw, according to him.
>
>
>
> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>
> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>
> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>
>
>
> Hey Jesse!?
>
> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>
> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>
> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jesse Thomas <
> >
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
> >
>
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>
> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
> different than republicans anyway.
> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an immediate
> emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
> wrote:
>
> This is a terrible idea.
>
> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>
>
>
> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
> >
> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
> Geof Gibson <>,
> bob giramma <
> >
> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>
> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
> Day�*
>
> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>
> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>
> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>
> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
> count.
>
> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>
> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand
> that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and
> consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We
> leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe.

this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the
garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
Sender: sdlibchat-
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:48:26
Reply-To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe.
dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Dear Grandma Rita,
Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
"unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point
would be Adolf Hitler.
I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a
primitive human characteristic (emotions).

My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
the morning.
But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars
(or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:

> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <>wrote:
>
>> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
>> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
>> my position on Foreign Policy.
>>
>> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
>> He's never asked me.
>> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>>
>> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
>> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>>
>> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
>> such as you, to tilt.
>>
>> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>>
>> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>>
>> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kristi Stone <>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
>> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
>> goes for everyone on this list too)
>>
>>
>>
>> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to
>> use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will
>> delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are
>> an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
>> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
>> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kristi
>>
>> Website Committee Representative
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sdlibchat- [mailto:
>> sdlibchat-] *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you **** off!
>> Mother **** Bruce!
>> You mother **** you
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for
>> his military welfare complex.
>>
>> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
>> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
>> party.
>>
>> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
>> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
>> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* alex thomas <
>> >
>>
>>
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> **** you guys!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>>
>> some personality flaw, according to him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>>
>> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>>
>> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Jesse!?
>>
>> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>>
>> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>>
>> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
>> >
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>>
>> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
>> different than republicans anyway.
>> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an
>> immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything
>> anti-government?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a terrible idea.
>>
>> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
>> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
>> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
>> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
>> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
>> Geof Gibson <>,
>> bob giramma <
>> >
>> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>>
>> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
>> Day�*
>>
>> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
>> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>>
>> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
>> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
>> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
>> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
>> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
>> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
>> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
>> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
>> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
>> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
>> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
>> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
>> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
>> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
>> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
>> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
>> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>>
>> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
>> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
>> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
>> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
>> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
>> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
>> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
>> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
>> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
>> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
>> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
>> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>>
>> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
>> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
>> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
>> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
>> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
>> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
>> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
>> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
>> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
>> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
>> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
>> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
>> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
>> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
>> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
>> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
>> count.
>>
>> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
>> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
>> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>>
>> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who
>> understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary
>> relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get
>> what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left,
>> right, and middle.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:

From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM

dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck all day. End Social Security

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <> wrote:

From: alex thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM

Dear Grandma Rita,
      Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is "unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point would be Adolf Hitler.

I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
     
      My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes, nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in the morning.

But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).

There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

     What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:


dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama






From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(

It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:



From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>

Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )

 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas

Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.


Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?


 




From: alex thomas <>




To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:



From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.


 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT

To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>

Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).


September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.


Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.


Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.


San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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You sound just like my father.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, over9000
<>wrote:

> Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you
> love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck
> all day. End Social Security
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <>* wrote:
>
>
> From: alex thomas <>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
> Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM
>
>
> Dear Grandma Rita,
> Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
> "unintelligent"?
> If so, you have at last made my point.
> Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in
> point would be Adolf Hitler.
> I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such
> a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
>
> My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
> nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
> the morning.
> But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million
> dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
> But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
> omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
> There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".
>
> What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <
> > wrote:
>
> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <
> > wrote:
>
> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
> my position on Foreign Policy.
>
> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
> He's never asked me.
> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>
> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>
> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
> such as you, to tilt.
>
> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>
> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>
> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kristi Stone <>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <
> >
> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <
> >
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>
>
>
>
> Alex,
>
>
>
> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
> goes for everyone on this list too)
>
>
>
> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use
> such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete
> you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an
> intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Kristi
>
> Website Committee Representative
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* sdlibchat-[mailto:
> sdlibchat-]
> *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
>
> Why don't you **** off!
> Mother **** Bruce!
> You mother **** you
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
> wrote:
>
> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his
> military welfare complex.
>
> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
> party.
>
> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
> wrote:
>
> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
>
>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
>
> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> **** you guys!
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
> wrote:
>
> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>
> some personality flaw, according to him.
>
>
>
> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>
> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>
> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>
>
>
> Hey Jesse!?
>
> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>
> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>
> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jesse Thomas <
> >
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
> >
>
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>
> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
> different than republicans anyway.
> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an immediate
> emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
> wrote:
>
> This is a terrible idea.
>
> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>
>
>
> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
> >
> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
> Geof Gibson <>,
> bob giramma <
> >
> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>
> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
> Day�*
>
> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>
> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>
> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>
> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
> count.
>
> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>
> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand
> that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and
> consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We
> leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. That's a very well thought out argument, Luster.
 
Those inconvenient things like the Constitution be damned, right?

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, over9000 <> wrote:


From: over9000 <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:07 PM






Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:


From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM






dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback!
It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the
garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




________________________________
___________________________________________________

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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
Sender: sdlibchat-
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:48:26
Reply-To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

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dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Dear Grandma Rita,
Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
"unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point
would be Adolf Hitler.
I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a
primitive human characteristic (emotions).

My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
the morning.
But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars
(or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:

> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <>wrote:
>
>> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
>> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
>> my position on Foreign Policy.
>>
>> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
>> He's never asked me.
>> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>>
>> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
>> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>>
>> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
>> such as you, to tilt.
>>
>> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>>
>> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>>
>> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kristi Stone <>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
>> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
>> goes for everyone on this list too)
>>
>>
>>
>> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to
>> use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will
>> delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are
>> an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
>> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
>> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kristi
>>
>> Website Committee Representative
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sdlibchat- [mailto:
>> sdlibchat-] *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you **** off!
>> Mother **** Bruce!
>> You mother **** you
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for
>> his military welfare complex.
>>
>> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
>> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
>> party.
>>
>> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
>> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
>> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* alex thomas <
>> >
>>
>>
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> **** you guys!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>>
>> some personality flaw, according to him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>>
>> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>>
>> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Jesse!?
>>
>> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>>
>> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>>
>> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
>> >
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>>
>> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
>> different than republicans anyway.
>> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an
>> immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything
>> anti-government?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a terrible idea.
>>
>> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
>> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
>> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
>> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
>> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
>> Geof Gibson <>,
>> bob giramma <
>> >
>> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>>
>> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
>> Day�*
>>
>> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
>> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>>
>> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
>> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
>> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
>> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
>> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
>> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
>> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
>> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
>> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
>> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
>> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
>> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
>> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
>> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
>> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
>> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
>> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>>
>> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
>> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
>> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
>> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
>> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
>> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
>> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
>> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
>> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
>> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
>> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
>> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>>
>> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
>> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
>> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
>> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
>> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
>> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
>> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
>> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
>> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
>> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
>> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
>> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
>> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
>> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
>> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
>> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
>> count.
>>
>> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
>> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
>> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>>
>> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who
>> understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary
>> relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get
>> what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left,
>> right, and middle.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:

From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM

dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck all day. End Social Security

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <> wrote:

From: alex thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM

Dear Grandma Rita,
      Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is "unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point would be Adolf Hitler.

I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
     
      My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes, nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in the morning.

But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).

There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

     What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:


dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama






From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(

It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:



From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>

Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )

 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas

Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.


Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?


 




From: alex thomas <>




To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:



From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.


 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT

To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>

Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).


September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.


Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.


Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.


San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. @over9000
You sound just like my father.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, over9000
<>wrote:

> Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you
> love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck
> all day. End Social Security
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <>* wrote:
>
>
> From: alex thomas <>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
> Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM
>
>
> Dear Grandma Rita,
> Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
> "unintelligent"?
> If so, you have at last made my point.
> Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in
> point would be Adolf Hitler.
> I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such
> a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
>
> My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
> nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
> the morning.
> But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million
> dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
> But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
> omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
> There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".
>
> What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <
> > wrote:
>
> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <
> > wrote:
>
> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
> my position on Foreign Policy.
>
> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
> He's never asked me.
> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>
> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>
> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
> such as you, to tilt.
>
> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>
> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>
> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kristi Stone <>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <
> >
> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <
> >
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>
>
>
>
> Alex,
>
>
>
> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
> goes for everyone on this list too)
>
>
>
> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use
> such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete
> you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an
> intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Kristi
>
> Website Committee Representative
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* sdlibchat-[mailto:
> sdlibchat-]
> *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
>
> Why don't you **** off!
> Mother **** Bruce!
> You mother **** you
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
> wrote:
>
> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his
> military welfare complex.
>
> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
> party.
>
> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
> wrote:
>
> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
>
>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
>
> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> **** you guys!
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
> wrote:
>
> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>
> some personality flaw, according to him.
>
>
>
> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>
> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>
> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>
>
>
> Hey Jesse!?
>
> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>
> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>
> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jesse Thomas <
> >
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
> >
>
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>
> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
> different than republicans anyway.
> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an immediate
> emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
> wrote:
>
> This is a terrible idea.
>
> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>
>
>
> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
> >
> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
> Geof Gibson <>,
> bob giramma <
> >
> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>
> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
> Day�*
>
> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>
> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>
> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>
> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
> count.
>
> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>
> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand
> that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and
> consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We
> leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. That's a very well thought out argument, Luster.
 
Those inconvenient things like the Constitution be damned, right?

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, over9000 <> wrote:


From: over9000 <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:07 PM






Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:


From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM






dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback!
It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Most constitutionalists would disagree with you actually. That war/torture and the vision of those in power are actually against what the founding fathers would want.

Does not matter, the constitution is a failed document anyways

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:

From: Bruce Cohen <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:50 PM

That's a very well thought out argument, Luster.
 
Those inconvenient things like the Constitution be damned, right?

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, over9000 <> wrote:


From: over9000 <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:07 PM






Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:


From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM






dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why
they attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe.

this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the
garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the
refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?




________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. What's a "dod" ???
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:48:26
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Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

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dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent,
meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing
well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an
attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands,
brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being
angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama




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Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Dear Grandma Rita,
Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
"unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point
would be Adolf Hitler.
I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a
primitive human characteristic (emotions).

My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
the morning.
But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars
(or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:

> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <>wrote:
>
>> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
>> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
>> my position on Foreign Policy.
>>
>> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
>> He's never asked me.
>> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>>
>> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
>> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>>
>> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
>> such as you, to tilt.
>>
>> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>>
>> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>>
>> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>>
>> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Kristi Stone <>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
>> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
>> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex,
>>
>>
>>
>> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
>> goes for everyone on this list too)
>>
>>
>>
>> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to
>> use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will
>> delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are
>> an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
>> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
>> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Kristi
>>
>> Website Committee Representative
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* sdlibchat- [mailto:
>> sdlibchat-] *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Why don't you **** off!
>> Mother **** Bruce!
>> You mother **** you
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for
>> his military welfare complex.
>>
>> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
>> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
>> party.
>>
>> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
>> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
>> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* alex thomas <
>> >
>>
>>
>> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
>> >
>>
>> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> **** you guys!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>>
>> some personality flaw, according to him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>>
>> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>>
>> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey Jesse!?
>>
>> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>>
>> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>>
>> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
>> >* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>>
>>
>> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
>> >
>>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>>
>> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
>> different than republicans anyway.
>> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an
>> immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything
>> anti-government?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a terrible idea.
>>
>> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
>> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
>> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
>> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>>
>>
>>
>> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
>> >
>> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
>> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
>> Geof Gibson <>,
>> bob giramma <
>> >
>> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>>
>> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
>> Day�*
>>
>> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
>> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>>
>> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
>> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
>> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
>> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
>> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
>> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
>> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
>> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
>> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
>> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
>> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
>> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
>> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
>> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
>> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
>> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
>> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>>
>> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
>> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
>> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
>> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
>> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
>> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
>> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
>> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
>> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
>> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
>> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
>> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>>
>> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
>> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
>> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
>> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
>> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
>> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
>> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
>> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
>> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
>> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
>> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
>> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
>> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
>> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
>> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
>> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
>> count.
>>
>> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
>> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
>> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>>
>> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who
>> understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary
>> relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get
>> what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left,
>> right, and middle.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:

From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM

dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck all day. End Social Security

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <> wrote:

From: alex thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM

Dear Grandma Rita,
      Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is "unintelligent"?
If so, you have at last made my point.
Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in point would be Adolf Hitler.

I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
     
      My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes, nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in the morning.

But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).

There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".

     What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?


On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <> wrote:


dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama






From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(

It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:



From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>

Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )

 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas

Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.


Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?


 




From: alex thomas <>




To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>

Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:



From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?


On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.


 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT

To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>

Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).


September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.


Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.


Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.


San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.



_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. @over9000
You sound just like my father.

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM, over9000
<>wrote:

> Yeah grannie, of course you have nothing to be "worried about" since you
> love socialism, when the government forces me to pay you to watch glenn beck
> all day. End Social Security
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 9/4/10, alex thomas <>* wrote:
>
>
> From: alex thomas <>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
> Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 12:34 PM
>
>
> Dear Grandma Rita,
> Would you be finally admitting that reacting with "emotions" is
> "unintelligent"?
> If so, you have at last made my point.
> Humans that make such responses usually don't get far in life, case in
> point would be Adolf Hitler.
> I believe Hitler would have been ruling to this day if he had ignored such
> a primitive human characteristic (emotions).
>
> My body, two legs, two arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes,
> nose and ears, are not the first things that come to mind when waking up in
> the morning.
> But rather, acknowledging the fact that I still don't have a million
> dollars (or a billion) and that not everything goes my way!
> But I shall stop at nothing to achieve that goal, (if you want to make an
> omelet you gotta brake a few eggs).
> There are many reasons why someone could be "angry".
>
> What makes you assume that I'm an "angry" person?
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Rita B <
> > wrote:
>
> dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul,
> uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and
> graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about
> waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your
> body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and
> they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about.
> love, grama
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
> *Sent:* Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
> I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper. :(
> It shall not happen again.
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <
> > wrote:
>
> On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
> What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
> my position on Foreign Policy.
>
> He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
> He's never asked me.
> He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
>
> There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
> can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
>
> Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
> such as you, to tilt.
>
> Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
>
> What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
>
> And next time, don't get upset, ask.
>
> --- On *Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Kristi Stone <>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
> To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <
> >
> Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <
> >
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM
>
>
>
>
> Alex,
>
>
>
> This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List. (this
> goes for everyone on this list too)
>
>
>
> The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use
> such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete
> you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an
> intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across
> and if you can�t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some
> things just shouldn�t be said. ; )
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Kristi
>
> Website Committee Representative
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* sdlibchat-[mailto:
> sdlibchat-]
> *On Behalf Of *alex thomas
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
>
> Why don't you **** off!
> Mother **** Bruce!
> You mother **** you
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <>
> wrote:
>
> Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his
> military welfare complex.
>
> As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a
> sign-making party for the government blowback day. it's going to be a
> party.
>
> Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <>
> wrote:
>
> this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out
> the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in
> the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* alex thomas <
> >
>
>
> *To:* San Diego Libertarian Chat <
> >
>
> *Sent:* Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> **** you guys!
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <>
> wrote:
>
> Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to
>
> some personality flaw, according to him.
>
>
>
> Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list
>
> where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me
>
> where to put my yarmulke? Nice recruiting style.
>
>
>
> Hey Jesse!?
>
> How can anyone have a conversation with you when
>
> you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your
>
> (frozen in time) fantasy world view?
>
> --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Jesse Thomas <
> >
> Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
>
>
> To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <
> >
>
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM
>
> Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much
> different than republicans anyway.
> Did you read the entire post or just go by the title and have an immediate
> emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <>
> wrote:
>
> This is a terrible idea.
>
> Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who
> doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't
> agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as
> Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.
>
>
>
> Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Jesse Thomas <
> >
> *Date:* August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
> *To:* Bruce Cohen <>,
> Geof Gibson <>,
> bob giramma <
> >
> *Subject:* *Government BlowBack Day*
>
> *San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th �Government Blowback
> Day�*
>
> *-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn�t
> swallow the Big Lie -- *
>
> SAN DIEGO, CA � September 6, 2010 � The San Diego �Complete Liberty
> Meetup� group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and
> libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government
> Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price
> of the U.S. government�s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent
> people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big
> Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. �lie factory� � namely, that
> the terrorists �hate us for our freedom.� What freedom? The spy cameras?
> Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia?
> The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the
> nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the
> lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the
> attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they attacked: (1) U.S.
> government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of
> U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that
> killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya
> started his �war on terror� that will never end with Obama).
>
> September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the
> president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the
> warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the
> framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it
> will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change
> its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by
> inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has
> co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack � using them as
> tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they
> will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in
> the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for
> its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.
>
> Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and
> the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by
> this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100
> countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that
> triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each
> year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other
> nations � the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere
> else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put
> innocent people at risk both here and in the �target� nations. But while the
> president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide
> behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors � all
> paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and
> then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback! It�s
> the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in
> the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of
> infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can
> count.
>
> Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not
> the solution. Join us in remembering � while we still can. Wear a black
> arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can�t while at work.
>
> San Diego�s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand
> that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and
> consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We
> leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. That's a very well thought out argument, Luster.
 
Those inconvenient things like the Constitution be damned, right?

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, over9000 <> wrote:


From: over9000 <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:07 PM






Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:


From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM






dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

Sent from my iPhone


Begin forwarded message:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why they
attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the blowback!
It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


_______________________________________________
___________________________________________________

Posted on the Sdlibchat mailing list. Go to http://listserv.sdlp.org/mailman/listinfo/sdlibchat_listserv.sdlp.org to subscribe. Most constitutionalists would disagree with you actually. That war/torture and the vision of those in power are actually against what the founding fathers would want.

Does not matter, the constitution is a failed document anyways

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:

From: Bruce Cohen <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:50 PM

That's a very well thought out argument, Luster.
 
Those inconvenient things like the Constitution be damned, right?

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, over9000 <> wrote:


From: over9000 <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 1:07 PM






Wow good riddance, so apparently the amount of people the US has killed due to a terrorist attack is justified? Yes Islam is a religion of violence, however making a socialist military program like war still is immoral. Bruce and Geof are just military socialists who still do not understand the non agression principal. Honestly you two still belong with the NEOCONS

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Rita B <> wrote:


From: Rita B <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 8:02 AM






dear alex i read and concur with kristi stone's reply re' foul, uninteligent, meaningless language . anger issues/ thats why prisons and graveyards are doing well. what r u mad about/ examine that. how about waking up each day with an attitude of gratitude. u can begin with your body. 2 legs, 2 arms, feet, hands, brain, teeth, voice, eyes nose, ears, and they all fuction fine. stop being angry. u have nothing to b angry about. love, grama





From: alex thomas <>
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 1:04:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day

I apologize everyone, as you may now know, I have a serious temper.  :(
It shall not happen again.


On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:19 PM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:






On top of that, Alex, Jesse was just having fun goading me.
What he said was inaccurate and has nothing to do with
my position on Foreign Policy.
 
He has no idea where I stand or what I think.
He's never asked me.
He can't quote from anything I have written or said, either.
 
There is plenty out there, even on my blog site and
can be searched off Yahoo and other discussion groups.
 
Jesse said that to try and get either me, or someone else,
such as you, to tilt.
 
Very Saul Alinsky, Murray Rothbard, style.
 
What a shame he can't discuss things more rationally.
 
And next time, don't get upset, ask.

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Kristi Stone <> wrote:


From: Kristi Stone <>

Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
To: "'San Diego Libertarian Chat'" <>
Cc: "SDLP Executive Committee" <>
Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 6:12 PM







 
Alex,
 
This kind of language is not acceptable on our private Chat List.  (this goes for everyone on this list too)
 
The SDLP Excom reserves the right to BAN/Delete anyone who continues to use such language after being warned. This is your first warning. We will delete you from the list if you continue with such language. I know you are an intelligent young man and can choose other words to get your point across and if you can’t, you can choose to not make that point. Sometimes some things just shouldn’t be said.  ; )
 
Thank you,
Kristi
Website Committee Representative
 
 
 
From: sdlibchat- [mailto:sdlibchat-] On Behalf Of alex thomas
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:48 PM
To: San Diego Libertarian Chat
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day
 
Why don't you **** off!
Mother **** Bruce!
You mother **** you

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:
Bruce Cohen walks the "DOD" down a rosy path of economic prosperity for his military welfare complex. 

As far as projects go, on Saturday the 4th at the cafe, we are having a sign-making party for the government blowback day.  it's going to be a party.

Libertarians that score 100/100 are invited to participate.




On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Rita B <> wrote:



this is funny.lol. nothing better to do, guys/ no yard work, cleaning out the garage, moldy toilet bowls??????????? any science research projects in the refrigerator? have u walked the dod? is your homework done?

 




From: alex thomas <>



To: San Diego Libertarian Chat <>
Sent: Wed, August 25, 2010 4:54:19 PM



Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day



**** you guys!

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Bruce Cohen <> wrote:





Any time someone doesn't agree with Jesse it's due to

some personality flaw, according to him.

 

Maybe Jesse will tell the Christians on this list

where to put their crucifixes, just like he told me

where to put my yarmulke?  Nice recruiting style.

 

Hey Jesse!?

How can anyone have a conversation with you when

you dismiss out of hand any idea that doesn't fit your

(frozen in time) fantasy world view?

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Jesse Thomas <> wrote:


From: Jesse Thomas <>
Subject: Re: [Sdlibchat] Fwd: Government BlowBack Day


To: "San Diego Libertarian Chat" <>
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:22 AM

Already people have a tough time figuring out if the libertarians are much different than republicans anyway. 
Did you read the entire post or just go  by the title and have an immediate emotional reaction due to your sensitivity towards anything anti-government?

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Geof Gibson <> wrote:


This is a terrible idea.

Aside from the discussion about why Islamofascists hate everyone who doesn't toe their line (they've killed more Hindus and Muslims they don't agree with than Americans), this will be portrayed in the media as Libertarians are just as whacky as the 9-11 truth nutbags.

 

Terrible idea for a group that professes to political aspirations.

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From: Jesse Thomas <>
Date: August 24, 2010 22:41:11 PDT
To: Bruce Cohen <>, Geof Gibson <>, bob giramma <>
Subject: Government BlowBack Day




San Diego Complete Liberty Declares Sept. 11th “Government Blowback Day”

-- Wear a black arm-band on September 11; tell the world you didn’t swallow the Big Lie --

SAN DIEGO, CA – September 6, 2010 – The San Diego “Complete Liberty Meetup” group joins other voluntaryists, private-property anarchists, and libertarians by declaring September 11th a day of remembrance: Government Blowback Day. This September 11, nine years will have passed since the price of the U.S. government’s meddling foreign policy was paid by innocent people. Despite the passing of time, gullible people still believe the Big Lie that was cooked up in the Washington, D.C. “lie factory” – namely, that the terrorists “hate us for our freedom.” What freedom? The spy cameras? Phone and email surveillance? The high taxes? The Patriot Act? The paranoia? The promise of endless wars and new terrorists to come? We are tired of the nonsense. On September 11, the first Government Blowback Day will remind the lunatics in Washington, D.C. that some of us know the real reasons for the attacks. The terrorists made no secret about why
they attacked: (1) U.S. government support for the apartheid state of Israel, (2) the presence of U.S. armed forces in Islamic holy places, and (3) the U.S. sanctions that killed over 500,000 children in Iraq as of 1995 (and continued until Dubya started his “war on terror” that will never end with Obama).

September 11 is a day to remember the real cause of terrorism: the president, the congress, and their foreign policy. Their policy ignores the warnings of George Washington, John Quincy Adams, and James Madison, the framer of the Constitution. The U.S. government caused the terrorism, but it will not take responsibility for it. It will not repent. It will not change its ways. Instead, it has attempted to distract the American people by inventing lies to pin the blame on others. By means of these lies, it has co-opted many of those who lost loved ones in the attack – using them as tools to continue its socialistic policy of war. We can only hope that they will wake up and become angry about how the U.S. government has used them in the most cynical way possible to promote its own ends: power over others for its own sake, more spending, and less freedom.

Even worse, it continues to create new enemies with each passing day, and the U.S. military cannot protect us from the inevitable blowback caused by this policy. From more than 700 military bases located in over 100 countries, the U.S. government continues to sponsor the same activities that triggered the September 11 attacks. Sucking up billions of tax dollars each year, the maniacs in Washington, D.C. threaten new sanctions against other nations – the very same policy that failed in Cuba and Iraq and everywhere else it has been tried. These actions have only one result: they put innocent people at risk both here and in the “target” nations. But while the president and congress put the lives of U.S. taxpayers at risk, they hide behind security devices and hardened facilities and armed protectors – all paid for by us. They use our taxes to create enemies around the world, and then they use our tax dollars to protect themselves from the
blowback! It’s the perfect government program! They leave civilians burning and crushed in the World Trade Center, and we now live in a prison-camp-like nation of infants, where we are told what to think and do in more ways than we can count.

Government Blowback Day is a reminder that government is the problem, not the solution. Join us in remembering – while we still can. Wear a black arm-band on September 11. Do it after work if you can’t while at work.

San Diego’s Complete Liberty Meetup group consists of people who understand that politics is a dead end. We support only voluntary relationships, and consequently we will not point a gun at your head to get what we want. We leave the violence of government to the political left, right, and middle.


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